Original post by Treblebee
When you ask how God, benevolent as he is, could create a world with evil in it, you forget that he doesn't always take what seems to us to be the most obvious route; after all, wouldn't he also be infinitely wiser than us? We only see the short-term benefits of an all-good world. Think! Without evil we cannot see just how good goodness is. How can you tell how bright white is without the context of black alongside it? It absolutely does work! The contrast of good and evil is one of the most beautiful and well thought-out ones there is.
What about starving people in 3rd world countries, they have no ‘white’ to contrast with their black, their entire lives are often miserable, saying that all the bad in the world is part of Gods plan and we can’t see the good in it because we aren’t smart enough is incredibly stupid. Stop putting the blame of humans onto God to justify your biases, that argument is the biggest ‘I don’t know’ answer I’ve ever heard.
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What do I hear you say? "There isn't an answer." In other words, your brain just switches off when you see that there is no answer in science. How does the definition of morals make moral people believe that they are not just that? Religion sets out clearly what is and isn't moral and right;
I think you’ve misunderstood. If you asked the question what is 2+2, the answer is obviously 4, and only 4. There isn’t an answer to morality and ethics because peoples morality and ethics are determined by environmental factors, psychological factors, brain chemistry, upbringing and every experience they ever have, and because of that there is no definitive view of morality. If I asked you what is the greatest food in the world you wouldn’t be able to give a definitive answer that applies to everyone, only to yourself. Every single view of morality is the right one and the wrong one, because it is subjective, it isn’t as easy as saying 2+2=4 like religion tries to do. That is an answer in science, an example of your 'brain just switching off' would be believing in God because we haven’t yet figured out every single piece of evidence to prove God doesn’t exist, but we’re getting closer. What has religion proven in the past 2000 years?
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find one fault with the rules our God sets out.
Some faults of the top of my head, ‘thou shalt not murder’, didn’t God murder a lot of people in the floods when he saved Noah? (Also if he was omnipotent couldn’t he just magic them all dead instead of flooding them, plot hole…). What if it is a situation of kill or be killed? Why has God given us survival instincts like the 'fight or flight' response if we shouldn't be allowed to use it? ‘Honor your mother and father.’ What if your father is a rapist and mother a thief?
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And if you prefer proof, there are thousands - if not millions - of people who, through God's definition of morals vs sins, have massively improved their own lives, both on the outside and the inside. How can something with such a wonderful outcome be bad? Indeed, how can something which has affected so many peoples' lives in a positive way, be man-made? For hundreds of generations, this same, supposedly "man-made" God has made such a huge difference; I simply cannot imagine how you can therefore say that he is man-made.
How is it man-made? The Bible proves it. The bible was written by pre 14th Century men, not the word of God. In the 15th - 16th Century Nikolaus Copernicus caused the Copernican Revolution, before this time people believed the earth was the centre of the universe and the sun revolved around us until Copernicus realised it was the other way around. With this in mind looking at the start of Genesis, it starts something along the lines of, ‘God created Earth, then he created light’, what this means is that he created earth and then created the sun, however as we know because of Copernicus the sun must have been created first for the earth to be created in place as it is, so if the Bible was the word of God, Genesis would have to start something like, ‘First God created the Universe, then the Sun, then the planets including Earth’. This proves that Genesis was written by pre 14th Century men and not the word of God, and if you can’t even trust the Bible, what can you trust about Christianity? (Just because it is man-made doesn’t mean it can’t have benefits for some).
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Firstly, the notion that God plays a part in the universe has the very opposite effect of diminishing. Secondly... there's a little piece of logic which you might want to think about. There are four options:
God exists and you believe in him = amazing!
God doesn't exist and you believe in him = okay*
God exists and you don't believe in him = terrible
God doesn't exist and you don't believe in him = okay*
(*Note: before you start arguing about the effects God has in your life (the above is about afterlife), life is much nicer believing in God than not, for even if he were non-existent, he still plays a major part in our lives, and vastly improves them; there's a reason so many people believe in God!)