You claimed this evidence was in the Quran(Original post by SHBKhan)
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I'm not here to convince you I'm just telling you stuff. If you really want to know then go and find out.
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- 11-11-2015 08:44
(Original post by BaconandSauce)
No they didn't
It was made by Imams and muslim scholars.
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- 11-11-2015 08:46
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Then why do so many muslim majority countries kill people or leaving Islam or have some for of punishment for doing just this?
Why is it in the UK families have been know to try and kill their children for leaving Islam? -
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- 11-11-2015 08:52
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Then why do so many muslim majority countries kill people or leaving Islam or have some for of punishment for doing just this?
Why is it in the UK families have been know to try and kill their children for leaving Islam?
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- 11-11-2015 09:09
(Original post by Hasan_Ahmed)
Firstly, Imams are muslim scholars. Second, there are only a few legal things which they have a consensus on. The nature of the sharia or rules of Islam are debated almost totally, with the Alevis for instance even drinking alcohol. When the scholars are all disagreeing, it means that every muslim looks for a scholar knowledgable about the opinions they agree with, and they follow some of that's scholar's rulings (after investigating how they came to those juristic conclusions) while researching what other scholars say as well as the source materials to develop their opinions. As they progress, they might find that there's no single scholar they continue to agree with.
You need to go an tell them not me they've got it wrong and are being dishonest again -
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- 11-11-2015 09:10
Why do so many muslim countries punish those who leave islam
It's a simple question that if answered honestly might help us stop this evil -
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- 11-11-2015 09:17
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Ah so now your saying the document muslims have been using to show that ISIS aren't Islamic is Wrong!!
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- 11-11-2015 09:22
(Original post by Hasan_Ahmed)
ISIS are muslims. Whether or not their actions and policies are islamic is a subject of debate, in which my position is that they are not, because they contradict the example of muhammad (from -reliable- narrations, not everything in the contradictory 6 major sunni books of hadith) and the example of his Ahlulbayt. I'm not sure if you're saying that some muslims are using the quran to show that ISIS isn't islamic - which I think is part of the process of proving that they aren't islamic. There is a difference between being dishonest and being mistaken. The Ummah (muslim people) contains a huge variety of opinions on almost everything.
But can you clarify according to you the document the national press in the UK was given by various muslim groups to distance the UK muslim population from ISIS is actually worthless? -
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- 11-11-2015 09:23
(Original post by Hasan_Ahmed)
The Ummah (muslim people) contains a huge variety of opinions on almost everything. -
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- 11-11-2015 09:26
(Original post by Hasan_Ahmed)
ISIS are muslims
But can you tell you brothers and sisters on this thread as they seem confused -
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- 11-11-2015 09:35
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For an ideology that is based on a book which proclaims itself to be clear, perfect and unambiguous Islam seems to struggle with what is Islamic and what isn't. Ironic, eh?
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Then you need to have the debate not with me as I am simply passing round what other muslims have said and loudly announced in the national press
But can you clarify according to you the document the national press in the UK was given by various muslim groups to distance the UK muslim population from ISIS is actually worthless?
Point 22 is very interesting because in it, they (sunni scholars) have basically denied the caliphates of their own beloved 'first three caliphs' after muhammad, because a -lot- of people didn't want any of them in power. Point 21 is utter gob****e, which should be pretty obvious.
However, if they really believe those 24 points and cite references that they believe prove them, I guess that they can dissociate their own beliefs about the nature of Islamic rules from those of ISIS fairly easily. What I find interesting is that these people (sunni scholars) have written 24 points which are mostly contradictory to the precedent shown by their first three caliphs (Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman.)Last edited by Hasan_Ahmed; 11-11-2015 at 09:36. -
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I agree here they are muslim.
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- 11-11-2015 09:41
(Original post by Hasan_Ahmed)
The Quran says, 'We have made this book clear and precise.' The 'making precise' of the book is in the appointment and role of the Prophets and Ahlulbayt. Muhammad was very clear in his farewell sermon that the Quran was not enough alone -
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- 11-11-2015 09:42
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Firstly, the 24 rulings that they gave were not all correct according to most scholars of my school of thought, akhbari ithna ashari shi'ism.
It's almost like were being lied to
But many thanks for your honest input on this while alarming it is refreshing -
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- 11-11-2015 09:44
(Original post by Hasan_Ahmed)
The Quran says, 'We have made this book clear and precise.' -
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Then Islam's claim that the Koran is perfect is wrong (as it isn't even fit for purpose). -
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- 11-11-2015 09:49
(Original post by BaconandSauce)
Why does the quran refer to itself as a book when it wasn't a book during the time of the revelations?
Through this method, muslim rulers in history have found themselves able to perpetrate atrocities upon muslims and non muslims alike, as well as being incredibly unjust in various ways, such as increasing the 'jizya' tax (which is meant to be insignificant and symbolic) to an extortionate rate. -
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- 11-11-2015 09:52
(Original post by BaconandSauce)
I'm shocked at this that muslims can say here is why ISIS aren't Islamic without full agreement on this
It's almost like were being lied to
But many thanks for your honest input on this while alarming it is refreshing -
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- 11-11-2015 09:54
What a stupid question ofcourse they ****ing are you ****ing idiot.
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- 11-11-2015 10:51
(Original post by Hasan_Ahmed)
The Quran is perfect as what it is
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