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    (Original post by john2054)
    Oh yes, and why not reopen the pits, get some mining hats and pick axes, and send the slackers down to do some real work as well?!
    Off topic but I always liked open cast mining as a company buys the land rapes it off it resources puts back the dirt leaving a big whole then fills it with water, landscapes the area around it and turns it into a nature reserve.

    Which is a much better Eco system than a field and an asset to locals.

    Obviously that isn't taking into account the burning of coal but you get the point I'm making


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    (Original post by john2054)
    Oh yes, and why not reopen the pits, get some mining hats and pick axes, and send the slackers down to do some real work as well?!
    How about being constructive on my argument rather than falling to sarcasm. I'm simply reittering the popular argument of those on benefits should earn it. So in a sense, the standard form of benefits is mostly removed, and those whom havn't found a job, or are seeking a job have an option to work for the government directly. I don't see the issue with this, but you obviously do.
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    (Original post by Jono0812)
    How about being constructive on my argument rather than falling to sarcasm. I'm simply reittering the popular argument of those on benefits should earn it. So in a sense, the standard form of benefits is mostly removed, and those whom havn't found a job, or are seeking a job have an option to work for the government directly. I don't see the issue with this, but you obviously do.
    What about people with a mental disability, who are actively seeking to improve themselves by means of bettering their education, such as myself? Should we have our benefits stopped at this stage/??
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    (Original post by Jono0812)
    How about being constructive on my argument rather than falling to sarcasm. I'm simply reittering the popular argument of those on benefits should earn it. So in a sense, the standard form of benefits is mostly removed, and those whom havn't found a job, or are seeking a job have an option to work for the government directly. I don't see the issue with this, but you obviously do.
    So rather than it being "People on benefits that are earning it" what you're talking about actually just sounds like a regular job, except specifically working for the Governement, no?

    So effectively they're employed, rather than being on benefits.

    I guess that also brings them the rights that employment brings, no?
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    (Original post by frankieboy)
    So rather than it being "People on benefits that are earning it" what you're talking about actually just sounds like a regular job, except specifically working for the Governement, no?

    So effectively they're employed, rather than being on benefits.

    I guess that also brings them the rights that employment brings, no?
    Well essentially, yes. A job is always available to you from the government, which would give enough money, and presumably time for an unemployed person to find an alternative job, whilst also doing something productive for the country.

    If someone is physically unable to do a job, then they wouldn't do it. Obviously this is very idealic and in practice would most likely be flawed, but the concept itself would stop demonizing those one welfare, and also contribute to society.

    Maybe it's just my right wing views obscuring my vision, but hey ho
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    (Original post by Jono0812)
    Well essentially, yes. A job is always available to you from the government, which would give enough money, and presumably time for an unemployed person to find an alternative job, whilst also doing something productive for the country.
    If it was a good job though, why would the unemployed person want to find an alternative job?

    Basically what you're saying is create more jobs, right? In the Government sector.
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    Another thought of mine is nowadays we have telecommuting opportunities from the companies that aren't still stuck in the dark ages.

    Telecommuting jobs are great for those with physical issues. We need more of these. Hopefully this sector will continue to grow.
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    Why not just stop giving them money and just give them coupons instead? Personally I'd go full Israeli and introduce mandatory sterilisation for benefits claimants.
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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    Why not just stop giving them money and just give them coupons instead? Personally I'd go full Israeli and introduce mandatory sterilisation for benefits claimants.
    Coupons is a good idea, however;

    1) What happens when people start selling their coupons to get cash for example selling a £40 coupon to someone for £30, creating a black market?
    2) What if the coupons expire before the person uses them?
    3) Can we really tell someone what they can and cannot buy with coupons?

    However, coupons are probably the better of most ideas on controlling benefits claimants spending, however like most things will always come with its dis-advantages. I dont think its really the money which is the problem, the problem is that this country is giving TOO MUCH in benefits and not enough for those in low paid jobs. Why would someone work when they get more in benefits. Best solution is either reduce the amount given in benefits or increase the amount given too workers, however the latter is not in the control of governments for the most part.
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    (Original post by TSRFT8)
    Coupons is a good idea, however;

    1) What happens when people start selling their coupons to get cash for example selling a £40 coupon to someone for £30, creating a black market?
    2) What if the coupons expire before the person uses them?
    3) Can we really tell someone what they can and cannot buy with coupons?

    However, coupons are probably the better of most ideas on controlling benefits claimants spending, however like most things will always come with its dis-advantages. I dont think its really the money which is the problem, the problem is that this country is giving TOO MUCH in benefits and not enough for those in low paid jobs. Why would someone work when they get more in benefits. Best solution is either reduce the amount given in benefits or increase the amount given too workers, however the latter is not in the control of governments for the most part.
    1) You give the DWP your account details and your ID is in the barcode, so only the recipient can use them.
    2) If they've let them expire they must be well off enough not to need them, no action taken
    3) Can people demand free money? Beggars cannot be choosers.

    If all of the benefits is used for necessities then they can be reduced. It shouldn't cover booze and **** which a large proportion of benefits are undoubtedly used for. The savings can be used to supplement wages. There's plenty of possibilities but I can't see anything changing before the UK comes to an end.
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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    Why not just stop giving them money and just give them coupons instead? Personally I'd go full Israeli and introduce mandatory sterilisation for benefits claimants.
    And how w much will this cost?
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    (Original post by Tiger Rag)
    And how w much will this cost?
    Hell of a lot less than 16 years of child benefit.
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    God there are some idiotic comments on here


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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    1) You give the DWP your account details and your ID is in the barcode, so only the recipient can use them.
    2) If they've let them expire they must be well off enough not to need them, no action taken
    3) Can people demand free money? Beggars cannot be choosers.

    If all of the benefits is used for necessities then they can be reduced. It shouldn't cover booze and **** which a large proportion of benefits are undoubtedly used for. The savings can be used to supplement wages. There's plenty of possibilities but I can't see anything changing before the UK comes to an end.
    I do agree with you, and it seems you have come up with answers too most questions haha
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    (Original post by paul514)
    God there are some idiotic comments on here


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    And I wonder how many have actually been on benefits...
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    Who cares how much is 'lost' because of tax evasion. The number of council houses is still worse, having them promotes a 'scum-class' of British citizen.
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    **** you! I'm on benefits and I NEEDED it. I used it to get my GCSE's and it's funded my Access course. Now I can finally sign off benefits when I start uni in Sept.
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    (Original post by Bourdain)
    that money isn't 'lost'

    it goes to jobs, wages, capital investment. we should be lowering taxes and allowing private enterprise to be even more successful. this is the only way to create wealth and will boost the standard of living across the entire country
    Tell me how giving billionaires millions of pounds that would have went into tax increases the standard of living across the country. All private companies care about is making people at the top and their shareholders rich. Jobs and wages tend to be kept at the minimum that they can get the job done with, so that the people at the top have even more money.

    What we really need to do - instead of your absurd idea - is to tax companies more and ensure fines for tax evasion are so crippling that no company would dare risk it. With the extra money raised we can increase the standard of living for everyone.
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    (Original post by Sephiroth)
    Tell me how giving billionaires millions of pounds that would have went into tax increases the standard of living across the country. All private companies care about is making people at the top and their shareholders rich. Jobs and wages tend to be kept at the minimum that they can get the job done with, so that the people at the top have even more money.

    What we really need to do - instead of your absurd idea - is to tax companies more and ensure fines for tax evasion are so crippling that no company would dare risk it. With the extra money raised we can increase the standard of living for everyone.
    Actually that is the polar opposite that needs to be done.

    You're right about all companies being run for its shareholders.

    However racking up tax will just serve to place those business' elsewhere.

    There are more things we can do to tackle avoidance and evasion which would bring in a lot of revenue.

    Banning cash, taking away the rights of small island nations to be ultra low tax or zero tax, leaving the eu making it more difficult to move capital.

    All that is small beer compared to international tax laws which is the real issue when you aren't dealing with an SME.

    The western nations and it partners really need to set a base rate of taxation so these companies can't avoid tax below that rate.

    Then any country that refuses to agree to those regulations can have sanctions placed on them. Gun boat diplomacy for the 21st century if you like.

    All super difficult and no appetite for it yet


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    (Original post by Jimib5863)
    **** you! I'm on benefits and I NEEDED it. I used it to get my GCSE's and it's funded my Access course. Now I can finally sign off benefits when I start uni in Sept.
    Hang on, how old are you?
 
 
 
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