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    (Original post by SomaliSodomy)
    I'd say more rational and just. We shouldn't encourage mental illness or sick sexual perversions.
    You have no place in society with these sorts of opinions. They are unbelievably damaging. Have some respect.
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    (Original post by SomaliSodomy)
    I'd say more rational and just. We shouldn't encourage mental illness or sick sexual perversions.
    please tell me this is a joke lol. have you actually thought about this at all?

    Transgenderism is not a recognised mental illness, and often has nothing to do with sexuality. To be honest I think your opinion is thoroughly perverse.
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    (Original post by SomaliSodomy)
    Cry more limp wrist. What are you going to do to stop me from telling the truth? Beat me up?
    You're not telling the truth. You are expressing an opinion. Get it right.

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    (Original post by SomaliSodomy)
    Cry more limp wrist. What are you going to do to stop me from telling the truth? Beat me up?
    No, just show everyone publicly how irrational and disgusting your views are.
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    (Original post by SomaliSodomy)
    Cry more limp wrist. What are you going to do to stop me from telling the truth? Beat me up?
    No? Because I have more respect than you, for one reason. You are not telling the truth - you are voicing an opinion that you are perfectly entitled to but here's a great suggestion: keep it to yourself. You are ignorant.
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    (Original post by Donkey******)
    I don't see how much gender neutral you can get with school uniforms, most now are trousers/skirt and a jumper/blazer (aren't they?) I see a lot of girls wearing trousers, so why should any one male by birth not be allowed to wear a skirt.

    My question is how would you address such issues at single gender schools?
    The issue I have with uniform is that boys cannot wear dresses/skirts whereas girls can wear dresses/skirts and trousers. I doubt many would want to but they should have the choice if they so want it.
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    (Original post by EdwardBarfield9)
    The issue I have with uniform is that boys cannot wear dresses/skirts whereas girls can wear dresses/skirts and trousers. I doubt many would want to but they should have the choice if they so want it.
    A boy at a school in my city wore a skirt to school for a week to make a point and the school did actually change the rules so boys could wear skirts.

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    So one school. The minority obviously make exceptions. We wouldn't be allowed at my school. It's unfair.
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    (Original post by EdwardBarfield9)
    So one school. The minority obviously make exceptions. We wouldn't be allowed at my school. It's unfair.
    Has anyone at your school actually attempted to campaign for it?

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    I've personally thought for a long time that single-sex bathrooms are just a stupid idea in the first place. I'm sure it would take British society a while to adjust, but I've been places where I've used unisex toilets for periods of time and I feel they're a positive thing for peoples outlook on the opposite sex for a variety of reasons.

    As others have said, uniform is already pretty unisex. The only way to make it more so would be to just force everyone into trousers, which I personally see nothing wrong with either.
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    (Original post by Dheorl)
    I've personally thought for a long time that single-sex bathrooms are just a stupid idea in the first place. I'm sure it would take British society a while to adjust, but I've been places where I've used unisex toilets for periods of time and I feel they're a positive thing for peoples outlook on the opposite sex for a variety of reasons.

    As others have said, uniform is already pretty unisex. The only way to make it more so would be to just force everyone into trousers, which I personally see nothing wrong with either.

    I mean single sex bathrooms are a good idea, men get urinals and women normally get the pad disposer, it makes sense, I see no reason to have unisex bathrooms
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    I mean single sex bathrooms are a good idea, men get urinals and women normally get the pad disposer, it makes sense, I see no reason to have unisex bathrooms
    If men used a normal toilet instead of a urinal then I see no reason to have single sex bathrooms.

    In my experience unisex bathrooms help prevent the over-sexualisation of the opposite sex which we are seeing as a problem across much of society, shown by things such as the perceived need for stricter dress codes to not distract from learning and somehow prevent harassment. It's hard to see someone as nothing more than a sex object when you've sat in the next cubicle and had a chat whilst they fart out last nights curry.

    May seem like a crazy, idiotic statement, but IMO society would be a better place if more men and women were comfortable sitting and having a **** next to each other.
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    (Original post by Dheorl)
    If men used a normal toilet instead of a urinal then I see no reason to have single sex bathrooms.

    In my experience unisex bathrooms help prevent the over-sexualisation of the opposite sex which we are seeing as a problem across much of society, shown by things such as the perceived need for stricter dress codes to not distract from learning and somehow prevent harassment. It's hard to see someone as nothing more than a sex object when you've sat in the next cubicle and had a chat whilst they fart out last nights curry.

    May seem like a crazy, idiotic statement, but IMO society would be a better place if more men and women were comfortable sitting and having a **** next to each other.


    Ok well I don't think bathrooms help with stopping "Over-sexualisation"
    I mean if anything I think incidents could happen.
    Urinals are really useful, for the space of 1 toilet you can get like 4-5 urinals, this helps with speed so I see no reason for using the toilet when I need to pee
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    Ok well I don't think bathrooms help with stopping "Over-sexualisation"
    I mean if anything I think incidents could happen.
    Urinals are really useful, for the space of 1 toilet you can get like 4-5 urinals, this helps with speed so I see no reason for using the toilet when I need to pee
    I think 4 - 5 is a huge stretch. Maybe 2, and even that when they're separate urinals is maybe a bit of a stretch. Come to that why should they not still have urinals? There are unisex toilets in France that have urinals and they do just fine.

    I've experienced living with them, and IMO they're just better. I've never heard of any incidents, and think if people grew up with them from day one there'd be no issue.

    Like I say, it would take British society a bit of time to adjust, but it would be worth it IMO.
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    I mean single sex bathrooms are a good idea, men get urinals and women normally get the pad disposer, it makes sense, I see no reason to have unisex bathrooms
    I think that's an extraordinarily bad excuse for sex- or gender-segregated bathrooms/toilets. Half the unisex toilets on the continent just have urinals in them too, and it's not exactly hard or expensive to put pedal bins in an extra handful of cubicles. Urinals really aren't that much more efficient anyway, especially when you consider that a significant proportion of men never use them, and all men have to use normal cubicles too.

    I'd really like somebody to give a sensible answer to why we have segregated toilet facilities in the first place. Really, what is the actual purpose for it? I feel like unisex facilities should be the default unless we have good reason to do otherwise (just like with every other service/facility we ever use). We shouldn't even need to justify their implementation explicitly.
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    (Original post by Implication)
    I think that's an extraordinarily bad excuse for sex- or gender-segregated bathrooms/toilets. Half the unisex toilets on the continent just have urinals in them too, and it's not exactly hard or expensive to put pedal bins in an extra handful of cubicles. Urinals really aren't that much more efficient anyway, especially when you consider that a significant proportion of men never use them, and all men have to use normal cubicles too.

    I'd really like somebody to give a sensible answer to why we have segregated toilet facilities in the first place. Really, what is the actual purpose for it? I feel like unisex facilities should be the default unless we have good reason to do otherwise (just like with every other service/facility we ever use). We shouldn't even need to justify their implementation explicitly.


    There is no real reason for unisex, and catering to trans people is not a reason
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    There is no real reason for unisex, and catering to trans people is not a reason
    I'm asking why not unisex? Why segregate based on gender or sex? I see no legitimate reason for it, and so the default should be unisex.
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    (Original post by Implication)
    I'm asking why not unisex? Why segregate based on gender or sex? I see no legitimate reason for it, and so the default should be unisex.
    it is for gender reasons and it makes a lot of sense, we have different needs and many people would be uncomfortable with other sexes being in the same toilet as them
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    it is for gender reasons and it makes a lot of sense
    Such as?


    we have different needs
    Like what? Cubicles with bins do the job pretty well for everyone, no? Urinals could also be incorporated with zero difficulty.


    and many people would be uncomfortable with other sexes being in the same toilet as them
    And if many people were uncomfortable with other races being in the same facilities as them, would that be a good reason for racially segregated facilities?
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    (Original post by Implication)
    Such as?




    Like what? Cubicles with bins do the job pretty well for everyone, no? Urinals could also be incorporated with zero difficulty.




    And if many people were uncomfortable with other races being in the same facilities as them, would that be a good reason for racially segregated facilities?

    There is no reason to change what we have
 
 
 
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