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    (Original post by CON5P1RACY K1D)
    And how is it your business ? Elaborate please
    Are you serious? Do you expect people to be indifferent to the rising hatred and intolerance towards gay people just because they themselves are not gay? This is sociopathic logic. Shunning, abuse and discrimination of any group of people just by virtue of who they are naturally is everyone's business in a civilised society.
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    (Original post by TheIr0nDuke)
    Ironic that the LGBT community is one of the most vocal defenders of Islam.
    It's a hard one. At the same time as Islam being a religion that in overwhelming interpretation is homophobic (worse if you take Muslims world wide) we also know what it is like to be discriminated against and it's almost instinct to jump against. I think some go to far though , especially organised/semi organised movements, and take defending Muslims as fighting agaist critism if Islam or political ideologies that give it a wide birth.
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    (Original post by CON5P1RACY K1D)
    You didn't answer my question tho, why is it your business ?
    And you didn't answer ours. Empathy is a real b*tch, isn't it?
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    (Original post by JohnGreek)
    And you didn't answer ours. Empathy is a real b*tch, isn't it?
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    (Original post by CON5P1RACY K1D)
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    (Original post by Zain-A)
    I didn't deny anything. What i've been saying is its not just down to Islam.
    It's entirely down to Islam. Have you even read the Qu'ran? I assume not because otherwise you wouldn't be defending that book of atrocities.

    The facts are:
    1) Islamic countries kill gay people.
    2) Islam promotes violence towards all non-muslims and gay muslims.
    3) Islam has attacked other beliefs consistently throughout the ages. It is a violent and horrific ideology.
    4) Terrorists are actually the ones who obey the Qu'ran word for word. In that sense they're better muslims than the rest of you - that says a lot about Islam doesn't it?
    5) Islam is incompatible with western society.
    6) Westerners are gradually losing their birthrights and freedoms to Muslim immigrants who force us to change everything because it doesn't fit with Islam.
    7) All of the above is completely intolerable and if we are ever to achieve world peace Islam has to go.

    I could go on and on.
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    (Original post by champ_mc99)
    I want to watch it. Remember what it's called?

    EDIT: Found it. "What British Muslims really think" on Wednesday.
    It's rare to see a Muslim taking the time to look at both sides of the discussion (from previous posts I assume you're muslim). It's a respectable attitude to have.
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    (Original post by Peroxidation)
    It's entirely down to Islam. Have you even read the Qu'ran? I assume not because otherwise you wouldn't be defending that book of atrocities.

    The facts are:
    1) Islamic countries kill gay people.
    2) Islam promotes violence towards all non-muslims and gay muslims.
    3) Islam has attacked other beliefs consistently throughout the ages. It is a violent and horrific ideology.
    4) Terrorists are actually the ones who obey the Qu'ran word for word. In that sense they're better muslims than the rest of you - that says a lot about Islam doesn't it?
    5) Islam is incompatible with western society.
    6) Westerners are gradually losing their birthrights and freedoms to Muslim immigrants who force us to change everything because it doesn't fit with Islam.
    7) All of the above is completely intolerable and if we are ever to achieve world peace Islam has to go.

    I could go on and on.
    "Terrorists are actually the ones who obey the Qu'ran word for word. In that sense they're better muslims than the rest of you" absolutely disagree with your statement. Terrorist who kill innocent people are committing one of the major sins in slam. There's a verse in the Quran that states a Muslim should defend their religion like in a war or something but you need to understand that some extremist misinterprete the Quran to a whole new level
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    (Original post by Peroxidation)
    It's entirely down to Islam. Have you even read the Qu'ran? I assume not because otherwise you wouldn't be defending that book of atrocities.

    The facts are:
    1) Islamic countries kill gay people.
    2) Islam promotes violence towards all non-muslims and gay muslims.
    3) Islam has attacked other beliefs consistently throughout the ages. It is a violent and horrific ideology.
    4) Terrorists are actually the ones who obey the Qu'ran word for word. In that sense they're better muslims than the rest of you - that says a lot about Islam doesn't it?
    5) Islam is incompatible with western society.
    6) Westerners are gradually losing their birthrights and freedoms to Muslim immigrants who force us to change everything because it doesn't fit with Islam.
    7) All of the above is completely intolerable and if we are ever to achieve world peace Islam has to go.

    I could go on and on.
    Only Saudi and Yemen do.

    Differentiate between Islam and Islamism please. Love you
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    (Original post by Mr Hyde(r))
    It's funny cos top 3 threads on News sub forum are about a Muslim saying something. You guys have severe obsession over Muslims.
    Because the Muslims threaten world peace and are causing my people to lose our freedoms, that's why we have to fight back.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    They don't need it as long as the Labour continues to work for them. Then when the idiots that run this party realise that they have been duped, it will be too late.The Muslim Brotherhood will get MPs and entire cities.
    Unfortunately I agree with this. Ever since Labour organised gender-segregated party meetings just to appease Muslim voters I was determined I was not going to vote for Labour again.

    The rise of Islam in Europe is the single biggest threat to women's rights and LGBT rights. I have so many gay friends and most of them don't get this. It's very frustrating.
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    (Original post by JohnGreek)
    >Muslims believe in **** ideas
    >This gets reported in surveys
    >Muslims get angry and join ISIS

    What an outstanding group of citizens we have on our hands.
    You can't just generalisers while group of people based in a minority who have misinterpreted their religion, Muslims are people too and I'm sure bit all of them are in agreement with beheading people etc because it goes against the Quran- but when people like you suggest that all Muslims believe in that they feel alienated and turn to people who are professionally trained in brainwashing them and grooming them-Isis
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    (Original post by Peroxidation)
    Because the Muslims threaten world peace and are causing my people to lose our freedoms, that's why we have to fight back.
    Not sure if you're trolling or being serious.
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    (Original post by CON5P1RACY K1D)
    You didn't answer my question tho, why is it your business ?
    That's how the Holocaust happened.

    ]First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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    (Original post by AdilAD)
    I have nothing against any religion but there are many Islamic countries where if you are born a muslim and you convert to a different religion or atheist or agnostic, the price is the death sentence under sharia law. That's why the people who don't believe in Islam anymore don't shout about it because it's the death sentence. But im behind a computer screen no one can see me so I can shout about it

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    Ah so you're a closet non-Muslim then?

    If I were you I'd tell them after you leave home (assuming you haven't gone off to uni or work yet). My family were super devout christians once, so I know just how hard it is to tell them. Trust me though, it feels so good to be able to turn around and say to them, "by the way, I left your religion !" My parents took it pretty badly at first but they're good parents so they got over it. In fact, it was a huge turning point in our lives. Since then I've been able to talk about things like evolution without them telling me off and now they've realised that science isn't the work of the devil. It's been 6-7 years since I told them and now we're a family of atheists. My uncle still thinks I sold my soul to Satan by choosing a career in the sciences, but he's an idiot anyway so that's no real loss.

    I know Muslim families can be much harsher about it though, it's that backwards ideology again... If you're living in Saudi or some other medieval state you should probably move to the land of rational thinking and them tell them. Also, I was 11 when I told my parents but as I said it's probably best if you tell them after leaving home.
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    (Original post by Mr Hyde(r))
    Not sure if you're trolling or being serious.
    I'm serious. Clearly you've never had to deal with the 'Sharia Police.'
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    (Original post by Trapz99)
    Yeah like that's going to happen when 96% of Britain isn't Muslim.
    Due to much higher birth rates than white British women and on the assumption that immigration from the Muslim world continues at today's pace it is possible that by 2051 there could be as many as 26 million Muslims in the UK making up 40-50% of the population.

    http://www.thecommentator.com/articl...illion_by_2051

    The day when homosexuals are lynched from the jibs of mobile cranes in the UK may be closer than we think. Maybe 50 years from now that unsavoury speculation could be a reality.
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    (Original post by Peroxidation)
    I'm serious. Clearly you've never had to deal with the 'Sharia Police.'
    No you're right, I haven't. Please elaborate, I'm interested in your experience with these people.
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    (Original post by Peroxidation)
    It's entirely down to Islam. Have you even read the Qu'ran? I assume not because otherwise you wouldn't be defending that book of atrocities.
    I would argue that attitudes towards LGBT individuals are a bit more complex than simply Islam or the Quran. The Bible has explicit verses calling homosexuality an abomination, which clearly have inspired anti-LGBT persecution in countries like Uganda, but at the same time, such verses have not stopped certain Christian denominations such as the Quakers from accepting LGBT individuals.

    I would argue that there is room for acceptance of LGBT people within Islam, and there are pro-LGBT interpretations of Islam in existence. I'm not going to pretend that such interpretations are followed by the majority, as that would clearly be a lie. But there is room within Islam for a more progressive interpretation, and so ultimately I believe the interpretation is just as important as the text itself.
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    (Original post by Peroxidation)
    It's rare to see a Muslim taking the time to look at both sides of the discussion (from previous posts I assume you're muslim). It's a respectable attitude to have.
    Thanks. It's nice to see how some of us Muslims/Non-Muslims or Theists/Athiests (etc.) can have civilized debates and discussions without ultimately resorting to insulting and aggravating one another.
 
 
 
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