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    There are barely any points as to why we should remain in the EU. I simply do not understand the benefits of staying in, please tell me what they are if you are a remanian.
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    64% of TSR want to remain

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    (Original post by metaljoe)
    There are barely any points as to why we should remain in the EU. I simply do not understand the benefits of staying in, please tell me what they are if you are a remanian.
    It seems the main arguments of this debate revolve around the economy and improving Economics Growth.

    For a start the EU makes trade between EU nations much easier and cheaper. Britain already has an international trade deficit. We import far more than we export. Yes, we have an EU trade deficit, but that shouldn't be solved by exiting the EU. Instead we should be finding other ways to incentivise trade. Over 50% of our exports go to EU countries. We still rely on it, that is undeniable.

    Secondly, freedom of movement is a big benefit Britain currently has. Many workers from EU countries have taken advantage of this and come to our country for work. Economic migrants make up a significant amount of our workforce. They have brought skills and are willing and qualified to do jobs that would otherwise be vacant. Why settle for the best Brits in our workforce when we can have the best of the best in Europe? You only have to walk the streets of British towns to see numerous foreign businesses.

    Thirdly is loss of influence. Britain has a lot of influence in the EU and we have managed to make a lot of rules that benefit us. If we leave the EU we still have to abide by the rules, however we no longer have a say on them. This is not a benefit we want to lose. Secondly let's think about the EU itself. It's one of the big beasts in politics. Everyone has heard of it, even if many don't know what it's purpose is. The EU has a lot of power and so do we by being part of it. On it's own, the UK isn't very influential.


    Lastly, Britain is doing well economically and has recovered from a recession rather well. The economy is stable and we're starting to reduce debt. Which is exactly why we shouldn't leave the EU. It will cause disruption and could easily derail our economic performance. The truth is no-one knows what would happen in the aftermath of Britain leaving the EU, so it's a gamble we have no reason to take right now.


    But yeah I don't know that much about it so it should be interesting to hear other people's views.
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    (Original post by paul514)
    No. No it could not happen.


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    yes it could- go talk to other people your own age
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    I'm surprised it's not higher when you consider...

    If you're not a socialist by 25 you have no heart, if you're one afterwards you have no head.
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    (Original post by aadil10)
    It seems the main arguments of this debate revolve around the economy and improving Economics Growth.

    For a start the EU makes trade between EU nations much easier and cheaper. Britain already has an international trade deficit. We import far more than we export. Yes, we have an EU trade deficit, but that shouldn't be solved by exiting the EU. Instead we should be finding other ways to incentivise trade. Over 50% of our exports go to EU countries. We still rely on it, that is undeniable.

    Secondly, freedom of movement is a big benefit Britain currently has. Many workers from EU countries have taken advantage of this and come to our country for work. Economic migrants make up a significant amount of our workforce. They have brought skills and are willing and qualified to do jobs that would otherwise be vacant. Why settle for the best Brits in our workforce when we can have the best of the best in Europe? You only have to walk the streets of British towns to see numerous foreign businesses.

    Thirdly is loss of influence. Britain has a lot of influence in the EU and we have managed to make a lot of rules that benefit us. If we leave the EU we still have to abide by the rules, however we no longer have a say on them. This is not a benefit we want to lose. Secondly let's think about the EU itself. It's one of the big beasts in politics. Everyone has heard of it, even if many don't know what it's purpose is. The EU has a lot of power and so do we by being part of it. On it's own, the UK isn't very influential.


    Lastly, Britain is doing well economically and has recovered from a recession rather well. The economy is stable and we're starting to reduce debt. Which is exactly why we shouldn't leave the EU. It will cause disruption and could easily derail our economic performance. The truth is no-one knows what would happen in the aftermath of Britain leaving the EU, so it's a gamble we have no reason to take right now.


    But yeah I don't know that much about it so it should be interesting to hear other people's views.
    The Eu is the only trading block that is shrinking and our exports to the Eu is also shrinking, even leaving the EU won't result in us losing all the trade and it would give us better access to expanding markets,

    I don't think anyone has ever said we should have absolutely no immigration we would still let the best from the EU in we just wouldn't let the worst in and that would make room for the best from non-eu nations

    The 5th biggest economy in the world isn't influential?

    It is a gamble but the evidence shows the EU trade shrinking compared to other markets so why would you gamble that a shrinking market will recover
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    (Original post by aadil10)
    Secondly, freedom of movement is a big benefit Britain currently has. Many workers from EU countries have taken advantage of this and come to our country for work. Economic migrants make up a significant amount of our workforce. They have brought skills and are willing and qualified to do jobs that would otherwise be vacant. Why settle for the best Brits in our workforce when we can have the best of the best in Europe? You only have to walk the streets of British towns to see numerous foreign businesses
    Net migration is at an all time high in the UK. The government totally fails to keep its promises on the issue, and with the high levels of EU migration, the only way to do so would be to exit the EU.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34071492

    I invite everybody here to listen to this debate. The Remain side gets the question of how they would control EU migration while in the EU, and they totally fail to give a satisfactory answer.

    I link to the exact time the question is asked.

    https://youtu.be/uYTJGBBjkGo?t=1h23m40s

    LEAVE has the most compelling arguments: Freedom to control who comes in, freedom to establish trade deals and freedom to elect the representatives making the laws that will apply in the UK. When exposed to arguments from both sides, more people tend to favor LEAVE.

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    (Original post by aadil10)
    It seems the main arguments of this debate revolve around the economy and improving Economics Growth.

    For a start the EU makes trade between EU nations much easier and cheaper. Britain already has an international trade deficit. We import far more than we export. Yes, we have an EU trade deficit, but that shouldn't be solved by exiting the EU. Instead we should be finding other ways to incentivise trade. Over 50% of our exports go to EU countries. We still rely on it, that is undeniable.

    Secondly, freedom of movement is a big benefit Britain currently has. Many workers from EU countries have taken advantage of this and come to our country for work. Economic migrants make up a significant amount of our workforce. They have brought skills and are willing and qualified to do jobs that would otherwise be vacant. Why settle for the best Brits in our workforce when we can have the best of the best in Europe? You only have to walk the streets of British towns to see numerous foreign businesses.

    Thirdly is loss of influence. Britain has a lot of influence in the EU and we have managed to make a lot of rules that benefit us. If we leave the EU we still have to abide by the rules, however we no longer have a say on them. This is not a benefit we want to lose. Secondly let's think about the EU itself. It's one of the big beasts in politics. Everyone has heard of it, even if many don't know what it's purpose is. The EU has a lot of power and so do we by being part of it. On it's own, the UK isn't very influential.


    Lastly, Britain is doing well economically and has recovered from a recession rather well. The economy is stable and we're starting to reduce debt. Which is exactly why we shouldn't leave the EU. It will cause disruption and could easily derail our economic performance. The truth is no-one knows what would happen in the aftermath of Britain leaving the EU, so it's a gamble we have no reason to take right now.


    But yeah I don't know that much about it so it should be interesting to hear other people's views.
    No no I'm sorry but you are hugely mistaken as to the free movement of labour and people. Yes we need immigration but by leaving the EU we can adopt an Australian point system in which we only let people in who have the skills and trades THAT WE NEED to fill the skills gaps etc. such as doctors, nurses, engineers and teachers. We do not need hundreds of thousands of more unskilled workers depressing the wages for many hard-working, law abiding, taxpaying Britons over the next few years. Your point is just quite simply ridiculous. You are forgetting about the huge strain on housing (all these 336,000 (net) people who each need somewhere to live- even though the national statistics are hardly believable since well over 400,000 national insurance's were issued to non- British nationals last year), the strain on primary school places, the depressing of wages of the ordinary British worker, the discrimination of non EU economic migrants who actually have the skills and trades needed (e.g Indian doctors and nurses) and most importantly, the strain on our public services such as the police and most notably THE NHS!!!!!!!! Health tourism in the UK cost us £6 billion pounds over the last four years, in which only £350 million has been payed back. So you are just simply and utterly wrong about that point entirely.

    Regarding trade, the EU severely restricts Britain from trading freely and efficiently with THE REST OF THE ENTIRE WORLD (INCLUDING THE COMMON WEALTH). There are only 7-10 countries which we actually trade with to a large extent in the EU and not the other 17-20 countries.

    And who do you seriously owe your allegiance to, the British flag or the European Union flag? Hundreds of thousands of British soldiers died to save our country's democracy and it is now being stripped away by un-elected
    bureaucrats IN BELGIUM. Their lives will have gone to waste if we do not take this only chance to leave this corrupted, power hungry political club.

    I haven't even began to talk about how the addition of Turkey to the EU would be one of the greatest threats to our country's security.


    THE EU IS A JOKE. WE WANT EUROPE BUT NOT TO BE PART OF A POLITICAL UNION!
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    (Original post by otester)
    I'm surprised it's not higher when you consider...

    If you're not a socialist by 25 you have no heart, if you're one afterwards you have no head.
    This made me smile


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    (Original post by kickboxer 98)
    yes it could- go talk to other people your own age
    No, it couldn't. Age has nothing to do with anything either. I'll address your original comment below

    (Original post by kickboxer 98)
    by remaining in the EU the UK remain able to recieve their imports (most of our products, such as food, clothing and technology) with no taxes or extra costs, meaning that our lifestyles will not be impacted.

    Most goods we consume are from abroad? think where are our clothes made? where do we get our cars and IPads? how much exotic food do you consume? if we leave the EU prices for these goods will rise, and they will become scare, meaning that those lower income households will only be able to afford fast food, making them obese and therefore adding pressure to the NHS. Also TNC's such as Mc Donalds or Coca Cola who have offices and shops in the UK may decide to leave as they will no longer be able to access the EU through the UK; therefire causing unemployment
    Exports are never subject to tariffs by the exporting country only imports can have tariffs placed on them and that is up to the uk government.

    Your point about cars and iPads are null and void because of that point and iPads don't come from the eu anyway.

    You mention rising prices I find it amusing as the eu is a protectionist bloc meaning goods from outside the European Union can be subject to tariffs making things more expensive for us to buy not less.

    Why do we have McDonald's here? They like to sell food to us to make money nothing to do with the eu.

    Even if your assertions were true which they clearly aren't we have a trade deficit meaning we buy 65 billion more in goods than we sell to them any tariffs collected by the government from Eu imports would out weigh theirs.

    Also 12% of economic output for the uk is eu trade and 70% of that 12% is tariff free without a trade deal with WTO rules.

    Do you feel stupid now?


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    people like George Galloway want to leave, so remain.
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    Scary how many people want to remain. Hopefully it's only the students who sway that way and not the majority of the country.
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    (Original post by Joel 96)
    Scary how many people want to remain. Hopefully it's only the students who sway that way and not the majority of the country.
    It's anyone with half a brain.
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    It's anyone with half a brain.
    With the full brains being out

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    With the full brains being out

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    Yea, those full of air.
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    (Original post by brainhuman)
    Tell me, a) how can the British Parliament not deal with the world as it sees fit? If it couldn't do anything as you imply here, why does it even still exist? b) Is Britain not part of the EU? Don't they have any influence in what the EU decides?
    a) Because the EU dictates its member states trade policies outside EU borders as well as within them. It also has a Common Foreign and Security Policy, a Common Security and Defence Policy and a European External Action Service to deal with the world for us whatever the British Parliament thinks. Parliament still exists because it still fulfills some functions and of course it creates the illusion of a still functioning democracy. If you were an MP, would you vote for Parliament to be disbanded?

    b) Of course Britain is a part of the EU, but to have useful influence the UK govt has to persuade a majority of the other member states to support it. If it doesn't it can be very easily overruled despite what the British Parliament wants.

    It also means that if the British electorate elected a party with radically different polices (like renationalising the railyways, for instance) the govt formed by that party's leader would be unable to implement its policies even if it had the support the British Parliament to do so. It would need a change of policies at EU level. That's the most compelling reason to vote Leave in my opinion.
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    (Original post by Tamora)
    a) Because the EU dictates its member states trade policies outside EU borders as well as within them. It also has a Common Foreign and Security Policy, a Common Security and Defence Policy and a European External Action Service to deal with the world for us whatever the British Parliament thinks. Parliament still exists because it still fulfills some functions and of course it creates the illusion of a still functioning democracy. If you were an MP, would you vote for Parliament to be disbanded?

    b) Of course Britain is a part of the EU, but to have useful influence the UK govt has to persuade a majority of the other member states to support it. If it doesn't it can be very easily overruled despite what the British Parliament wants.

    It also means that if the British electorate elected a party with radically different polices (like renationalising the railyways, for instance) the govt formed by that party's leader would be unable to implement its policies even if it had the support the British Parliament to do so. It would need a change of policies at EU level. That's the most compelling reason to vote Leave in my opinion.
    So where was the common foreign action policy when Britain went into Iraq with the US and the EU didn't?

    M'kay.
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    (Original post by brainhuman)
    So where was the common foreign action policy when Britain went into Iraq with the US and the EU didn't?

    M'kay.
    First of all I find it interesting that you take that point aside from other points raised. I've also addressed your question here which I hope helps - because ultimately what we need to do in the run-up to June 23rd is to weigh up the arguments on both sides, before coming to a conclusion. Clearly it would have been better for the Government to present two options before drawing the battlelines to elect which option they prefer.

    However, we can at least take from David Cameron's statements, that he believes the UK can function outside the EU but post-deal, believes being inside the EU will be best. While Corbyn is a eurosceptic, he only wishes to remain in the EU from a socialist perspective to keep the Tories in line O_o yet, isn't that the job of the Opposition? in addition to the House of Lords - that played a key role in defeating George Osborne's Tax Credit cuts, along with petitioning from the 'average joe' that we disagree - something we cannot do in the EU

    Therefore the Q is, can we change things in the EU? or are we better off to work with the EU.

    To address your argument in relation to the Common Foreign and Security Policy (CFSP) and Iraq, you do raise a valid point that the EU did not agree. However, this was back in 2003, the CFSP was not introduced till 2009 (http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-conte...iserv%3Aai0025) and back in 2003, it was the European Union that made a non-binding decision against intervention, leaving members to decide what they want - the UK was for, while France/Germany/Russia was opposed to US-led war, Bulgaria and Spain were for it, Chile and Guinea would consider supporting it
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    (Original post by animus01)
    To address your argument in relation to the Common Foreign and Security Policy (CFSP) and Iraq, you do raise a valid point that the EU did not agree. However, this was back in 2003, the CFSP was not introduced till 2009 (http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-conte...iserv%3Aai0025) and back in 2003, it was the European Union that made a non-binding decision against intervention, leaving members to decide what they want - the UK was for, while France/Germany/Russia was opposed to US-led war, Bulgaria and Spain were for it, Chile and Guinea would consider supporting it
    Not true. CFSP has been in existence for years before 2009. All that changed in that year was its institutional arrangement within the EU, and a merging of certain responsibilities under one High Representative. The EU has not, did not have, and will not have any control over British foreign policy that the UK does not itself agree to share with the EU.
 
 
 
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