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    (Original post by beta_tester)
    Oh, that's weird

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    Now who do I trust, some random source I've never seen before, or the BBC?
    Finally you admit you are simply reading news stories (like me) rather than basing your opinions on facts

    You didn't answer my question again

    But tell me why do you not want to wait for the facts before stating specifically it wasn't terrorism?
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    Finally you admit you are simply reading news stories (like me) rather than basing your opinions on facts
    Did I, or didn't I, just prove to you that ISIS haven't claimed responsibility?

    Or are the BBC just badly informed and a poor news source?
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    (Original post by beta_tester)
    Did I, or didn't I, just prove to you that ISIS haven't claimed responsibility?

    Or are the BBC just badly informed and a poor news source?
    You haven't proved anything. Neither has anyone else. You have provided reports that claim things that you agree with.
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    (Original post by beta_tester)
    I don't but its the safest way for a terror cell to place a bomb on a plane and to get away from the airport as fast as possible without leaving any trace.
    Sorry, but that's pure conjecture on your part.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    You haven't proved anything. Neither has anyone else. You have provided reports that claim things that you agree with.
    I have no reason to read your nonsense given that you've just proved to me that you don't even read what I'm typing.
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    Sorry, but that's pure conjecture on your part.
    I have studied all plane crashes in modern history and I am yet to be enlightened on a different manner in which a bomb is primed to detonate, apart from explosives where the passengers tried to set it alight.

    But i'm not sure why we're discussing this, a bomb can almost be ruled out entirely, source, the Guardian:

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    (Original post by beta_tester)
    Did I, or didn't I, just prove to you that ISIS haven't claimed responsibility?

    Or are the BBC just badly informed and a poor news source?
    You haven't proved anything and I've told you why I was mistaken (see we do admit mistakes when they are made)

    Yes the BBC like all news sources are just news sources relying upon peoples opinions (like you)


    You didn't answer my question again

    But tell me why do you not want to wait for the facts before stating specifically it wasn't terrorism?
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    You haven't proved anything and I've told you why I was mistaken (see we do admit mistakes when they are made)

    Yes the BBC like all news sources are just news sources relying upon peoples opinions (like you)


    You didn't answer my question again

    But tell me why do you not want to wait for the facts before stating specifically it wasn't terrorism?
    The BBC are not relying on an opinion on this matter.

    It is a fact that ISIS, and no other terrorist groups have claimed responsibility.

    That isn't an opinion buddy.

    But trust me, if anyone claimed responsibility, we'd know about it. I've been following the story on Sky News and the BBC solidly for the last 26 hours and there was no mention of anyone claiming responsibility, not to mention also nowhere on the internet apart from stupid sources like the one you linked.
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    (Original post by beta_tester)
    The BBC are not relying on an opinion on this matter.

    It is a fact that ISIS, and no other terrorist groups have claimed responsibility.

    That isn't an opinion buddy.

    But trust me, if anyone claimed responsibility, we'd know about it. I've been following the story on Sky News and the BBC solidly for the last 26 hours and there was no mention of anyone claiming responsibility, not to mention also nowhere on the internet apart from stupid sources like the one you linked.
    Of course they are just like the guardian

    But as I have said I read it had been claimed and the story has since been pulled this is what happens in news circles as facts come to light stories are changed and updated which is why I am wary of basing my opinions on news stories.

    You didn't answer my question again

    But tell me why do you not want to wait for the facts before stating specifically it wasn't terrorism?
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    Of course they are just like the guardian

    But as I have said I read it had been claimed and the story has since been pulled this is what happens in news circles as facts come to light stories are changed and updated which is why I am wary of basing my opinions on news stories.

    You didn't answer my question again

    But tell me why do you not want to wait for the facts before stating specifically it wasn't terrorism?
    I never said it wasn't terrorism, I am just disputing the media outburst to claim that it was "more likely to be terrorism than mechanical failure".

    If that's all, I think we're done here.
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    But tell me why do you not want to wait for the facts before stating specifically it wasn't terrorism?
    Funnily enough, I tend to agree with him that it may not have been a bomb, and lean towards a failed hijacking attempt (based on the lack of a distress call, largely, and the odd manoeuvres). But to be so sure of the cause at this stage, as he is, is ridiculous.
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    (Original post by beta_tester)
    I have studied all plane crashes in modern history and I am yet to be enlightened on a different manner in which a bomb is primed to detonate, apart from explosives where the passengers tried to set it alight.

    But i'm not sure why we're discussing this, a bomb can almost be ruled out entirely, source, the Guardian:

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    Ok 1, all crashes in modern history? Unless you work for the AAIB, you need a life.
    2, haven't you just spent several posts explaining why relying on things reported in the news isn't to be listened to? So why are you now stating that this one thing reported in the news must be 100% infallible?
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Funnily enough, I tend to agree with him that it may not have been a bomb, and lean towards a failed hijacking attempt (based on the lack of a distress call, largely, and the odd manoeuvres). But to be so sure of the cause at this stage, as he is, is ridiculous.
    Oddly enough so do I expect I put it down to mechanical fault

    But this is of course just my opinion and I would never push my opinion as fact
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    Ok 1, all crashes in modern history? Unless you work for the AAIB, you need a life.
    2, haven't you just spent several posts explaining why relying on things reported in the news isn't to be listened to? So why are you now stating that this one thing reported in the news must be 100% infallible?
    I just read up on and study plane crashes in my spare time when I'm bored, sorry that how I spent my free time offends you

    and this thing is more reliable because it was a statement re-posted, the actual statement originated from US officials, its not like the media just wrote that for the sake of it
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    (Original post by beta_tester)
    I never said it wasn't terrorism, I am just disputing the media outburst to claim that it was "more likely to be terrorism than mechanical failure".

    If that's all, I think we're done here.
    So you are using the claim reported by the news that it might not be terrorism to counter the claim made by the news it was terrorism

    But yes I think we are done here (until the facts come out that is)
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    So you are using the claim reported by the news that it might not be terrorism to counter the claim made by the news it was terrorism

    But yes I think we are done here (until the facts come out that is)
    nope.
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    Just because Terrorism may not be the cause of this, that doesn't necessarily rule out the possibility of this accident being deliberate. Pilot Suicide, perhaps?
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    (Original post by Destoroyah)
    Just because Terrorism may not be the cause of this, that doesn't necessarily rule out the possibility of this accident being deliberate. Pilot Suicide, perhaps?
    No you are right it doesn't

    Until the facts are known though everything is just speculation (which is why we are taking umbrage with beta_tester as he refuse to admit he is just speculating)
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    (Original post by beta_tester)
    I just read up on and study plane crashes in my spare time when I'm bored, sorry that how I spent my free time offends you

    and this thing is more reliable because it was a statement re-posted, the actual statement originated from US officials, its not like the media just wrote that for the sake of it
    You can understand why you come across as hypocritical, though.
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    Floating debris and...body parts...have been discovered off the coast of Alexandria. I imagine the Black Boxes should be found soon.
 
 
 
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