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    (Original post by The_Opinion)
    I said that there is a difference in IQ, if you define IQ as intelligence, that's up to you.

    I can find a study against climate change etc, a random study shows nothing. IQ differences are well known, its only as a result of political correctness that the staying of racial differences is hushed up in the western world, although in the Far East they are happy to study such things.

    Its also noticeable that IQ scores tend to reflect incomes, something that also helps to verify the IQ results.
    I said that IQ cannot measure intelligence, you have suggested that it can, hence you are suggesting a "difference" in intelligence. This would make some races genetically superior to others. Like I said, no need to beat around the bush, have the guts to come out with what you want to say.

    The studies also show that IQ results often reflect socioeconomic backgrounds. I score quite well on those tests, being from an educated, middle class family. Someone from a deprived background is not going to have the required knowledge to answer most of the questions correctly. It's simple common sense, however if you wish to cling onto your claim to feel better about your own lack of achievement and reassure yourself that you are superior to Black people then be my guest
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    (Original post by Princepieman)
    The problem is none of the data presented is either a) representative (black v white? wot), b) accurate (how in heavens name is an 'estimate' proof of anything?), c) clean, up to date, and normalised

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    It shows many different races comparatively. Along with gender segregation, it shows that, for example, higher income blacks do worse than lower income whites.

    SAT scores was the only data I could find that took into account both IQ, requiring estimation for translation, and income.

    You are asking for data that doesn't exist, but all the available data has shown that there is a racially correlated IQ difference. You might want to reject the position based on conclusive data that pertains to socioeconomic status, but you are playing a paradoxical game.

    Does socioeconomic status predetermine IQ, or does IQ determine socioeconomic status.

    It seems reasonable to assert that in a capitalist society which we live poor demographics that can achieve a better position do. The Irish for example were treated akin to slaves in America, as were the Chinese, both demographics have a higher than average IQ in America now.
    In a pattern shown worldwide, black demographics have not been able to. The evidence seems undeniable to my eyes.

    IQ is hereditary, not my fault the world works this way.
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    (Original post by The_Opinion)
    IQ results show difference. Superior / inferior are words that you are coming up with.
    Well that's how racism works.

    They say things RIGHT UP UNTIL it's clearly a racist statement. So they don't say "Black people are less intelligent" but they will say "Black people have a lower IQ" they wont say "Black people are savages" but they will say "Black people have higher violent crime rate"

    As to IQ - In neurology no one takes IQ seriously. It is archaic and only really useful to social scientists. Neurologists who have a better understanding of how the brain works because they spend decades of their lives studying it have little to no use for it, but to the public at large it is so important. Because the public is only concerned with what feels like it should be true rather than what is actually the case in reality

    Irony is Alfred Binet created IQ test’s to see which children weren’t profiting from the Parisian school system, not so that they could be labeled stupid but so new educational programs could be created to help those children

    He was afraid that his tests would be misused for nepharious reasons. He must have been psychic because once certain ppl got a hold of it, it took on a whole new meaning.
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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    I do not believe any people are born intellectually superior to anyone else.

    However I do believe, as the evidence points to; that some races (on average) have a higher ability than others to become more intelligent
    See? That wasn't so hard!
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    (Original post by 99_Problems)
    Even if it was proven without even a glimmer of doubt that black people were naturally less intelligent what would that even mean? Where would we go from there?

    This "knowledge" would not take us forward or change our lives in anyway. Scientific resources would be better spent elsewhere.
    That's another topic, I don't know the answers to that. Science is not about telling us where to go, it's about telling us where we are.

    I can tell you this for certain, denial of the situation will mean we never get the answers you posit. The more we know, the better.
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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    See? That wasn't so hard!
    But it was so hard for you to formulate a fair question? I don't see why you saw fit to attack me and paint me as a white supremacist when all I care about is facts and what is scientifically reasonable and observable.
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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    But it was so hard for you to formulate a fair question? I don't see why you saw fit to attack me and paint me as a white supremacist when all I care about is facts and what is scientifically reasonable and observable.
    If there is nothing discriminatory or supremacist about your views, you shouldn't view it as an "attack". Or even if there was, you should embrace it and own who you are, as opposed to beating around the bush
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    [QUOTE=Jebedee;65354059]I will interpret your lack of response as a concession.





    I do not believe any people are born intellectually superior to anyone else.

    Dyslexia, Microcephaly?
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    (Original post by RasputinReborn)





    I do not believe any people are born intellectually superior to anyone else.

    Dyslexia, Microcephaly?
    Touche, I should have added that I am not counting any kind of defects.
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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    Touche, I should have added that I am not counting any kind of defects.
    Fair enough(it had to be done).
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    (Original post by HanSoloLuck)
    I can tell you this for certain, denial of the situation will mean we never get the answers you posit. The more we know, the better.
    Here we go. I’ve always noticed. There always has to be at least one mention of “the deniers” or “lefties” "or liberals"

    We never really drill down to the nuts and bolts that need to be asked of the people who believe in human bio-diversity and they kind of like that.

    Because they never have to actually put their ideas out there on the line to be scrutinized. You can always claim ideological martyr status for being shouted down as being iconoclasts in the public square.

    I say let’s have the debate on what it would actually mean in public policy terms. Let’s see how these people intend to address the problems of our time and indeed things they see as problems.

    Because if you think science can settle ethical and moral questions, or public policy disputes, you need only look at the debate over climate change, or what were long considered settled matters (like evolution) to see how wrong such an assumption can be.

    But to honest. I don't think they will because the reason you and others believe in this is because you need a new theory of racism that allows you to separate yourselves from the hardcore stormfronters. So they come up with this high sounding “Scientific” theory.

    So let me take a wild guess. You’ll concede that blacks are better at bouncing balls, running fast, and brute strength and also funny, but not that smart.

    Right ?

    Asians are human calculators and are therefore good at science. They’re smart, but can’t think individually and aren’t creative.

    Right ?

    But whites are really the genetically chosen ones.

    What a surprise

    The people who have the best mix of genes and abilities to make them the natural leaders of the world. Their genetics makes them overall dominant, even if they do make a few small concessions to other races here and there (lol)
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    (Original post by PrincePaul678686)
    Here we go. I’ve always noticed. There always has to be at least one mention of “the deniers” or “lefties” "or liberals"

    We never really drill down to the nuts and bolts that need to be asked of the people who believe in human bio-diversity and they kind of like that.

    Because they never have to actually put their ideas out there on the line to be scrutinized. You can always claim ideological martyr status for being shouted down as being iconoclasts in the public square.

    I say let’s have the debate on what it would actually mean in public policy terms. Let’s see how these people intend to address the problems of our time and indeed things they see as problems.

    Because if you think science can settle ethical and moral questions, or public policy disputes, you need only look at the debate over climate change, or what were long considered settled matters (like evolution) to see how wrong such an assumption can be.

    But to honest. I don't think they will because the reason you and others believe in this is because you need a new theory of racism that allows you to separate yourselves from the hardcore stormfronters. So they come up with this high sounding “Scientific” theory.

    So let me take a wild guess. You’ll concede that blacks are better at bouncing balls, running fast, and brute strength and also funny, but not that smart.

    Right ?

    Asians are human calculators and are therefore good at science. They’re smart, but can’t think individually and aren’t creative.

    Right ?

    But whites are really the genetically chosen ones.

    What a surprise

    The people who have the best mix of genes and abilities to make them the natural leaders of the world. Their genetics makes them overall dominant, even if they do make a few small concessions to other races here and there (lol)
    It's ultimately what they want to say, though they will rarely admit to it. So instead they will beat around the bush and avoid direct questions. You will get the odd outburst when the right buttons are pushed, which they would probably end up blaming on the booze.
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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    It's ultimately what they want to say, though they will rarely admit to it. So instead they will beat around the bush and avoid direct questions. You will get the odd outburst when the right buttons are pushed, which they would probably end up blaming on the booze.
    Nice, so you know what I'm thinking without me saying. OK.

    Ever thought about putting this superhuman ability to use, maybe if you really worked on it you could start up a super group, be sorta like Professor X.

    You and PrincePaul could help each other, given he has this superpower as well.

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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    It's ultimately what they want to say, though they will rarely admit to it. So instead they will beat around the bush and avoid direct questions. You will get the odd outburst when the right buttons are pushed, which they would probably end up blaming on the booze.
    It's just that. It's the fact that they think that THERE idea of what makes intelligent is all that matters.

    How about if I dropped them down in the Nile delta and asked them to please farm the desert ?

    How about if I asked them to survive by wandering the Sahara, or to avoid becoming prey on the Serengeti ?

    Strangely, none of those things seems to take much intelligence in their view because they can answer questions like "If Adam is taller than Bill and Bill smaller and Bob and Bob is smaller Jack. Jack is smaller Jill - Who is the tallest?"
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    (Original post by HanSoloLuck)
    Nice, so you know what I'm thinking without me saying. OK.

    Ever thought about putting this superhuman ability to use, maybe if you really worked on it you could start up a super group, be sorta like Professor X.

    You and PrincePaul could help each other, given he has this superpower as well.

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    I have more than enough experience with the likes of you, no need for superpowers

    Besides, if we were to apply the logic that you have been applying throughout this thread, would it mean that White males in the UK generally lack the intellectual capacity to get into higher education, considering that they are now a minority group at universities?
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...niversity.html
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    (Original post by HanSoloLuck)
    I can tell you this for certain, denial of the situation will mean we never get the answers you posit. The more we know, the better.
    This is at least the second thread in which you've been told by multiole posters than IQ is a poorly constructed attempt at defining "intelligence" with a single value, which is simply not possible in any meaningful way.

    Instead of really responding to these points or looking at the consqeuence of them for your arguments, you keep repeating "IQ data shows that..." in multiple threads.

    I'd say denial is ignoring information that doesn't fit your IQ-orientated agenda and just persisting to spout the same unscientific nonsense.
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    (Original post by PrincePaul678686)
    It's just that. It's the fact that they think that THERE idea of what makes intelligent is all that matters.

    How about if I dropped them down in the Nile delta and asked them to please farm the desert ?

    How about if I asked them to survive by wandering the Sahara, or to avoid becoming prey on the Serengeti ?

    Strangely, none of those things seems to take much intelligence in their view because they can answer questions like "If Adam is taller than Bill and Bill smaller and Bob and Bob is smaller Jack. Jack is smaller Jill - Who is the tallest?"
    True, I would like to know how stupid people managed to survive some of the harshest conditions and adapt to them so well.
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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    I said that IQ cannot measure intelligence, you have suggested that it can, hence you are suggesting a "difference" in intelligence. This would make some races genetically superior to others. Like I said, no need to beat around the bush, have the guts to come out with what you want to say.

    The studies also show that IQ results often reflect socioeconomic backgrounds. I score quite well on those tests, being from an educated, middle class family. Someone from a deprived background is not going to have the required knowledge to answer most of the questions correctly. It's simple common sense, however if you wish to cling onto your claim to feel better about your own lack of achievement and reassure yourself that you are superior to Black people then be my guest
    You cannot teach IQ and intelligence. You silly leftists

    Yu are indoctrinated by your PC beliefs, it is actually quite amusing.
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    (Original post by PrincePaul678686)
    Well that's how racism works. They say things RIGHT UP UNTIL it's clearly a racist statement. So they don't say "Black people are less intelligent" but they will say "Black people have a lower IQ" they wont say "Black people are savages" but they will say "Black people have higher violent crime rate"As to IQ - In neurology no one takes IQ seriously. It is archaic and only really useful to social scientists. Neurologists who have a better understanding of how the brain works because they spend decades of their lives studying it have little to no use for it, but to the public at large it is so important. Because the public is only concerned with what feels like it should be true rather than what is actually the case in realityIrony is Alfred Binet created IQ test’s to see which children weren’t profiting from the Parisian school system, not so that they could be labeled stupid but so new educational programs could be created to help those childrenHe was afraid that his tests would be misused for nepharious reasons. He must have been psychic because once certain ppl got a hold of it, it took on a whole new meaning.
    I think that you will find many in neurology take it seriously, you are just defensive as you are a black supremacist, who doesn't like how facts go against him on this issue.Blacks do have a higher crime rate by the way, that's also a fact.It is a fact that blacks have lower IQ's on average than East Asians and whites, learn to deal with it. Facts are not racist. You don't see me getting but hurt that Japanese generally have higher IQs than French people.Most geniuses are also men by the way, that's also proven.
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    (Original post by offhegoes)
    This is at least the second thread in which you've been told by multiole posters than IQ is a poorly constructed attempt at defining "intelligence" with a single value, which is simply not possible in any meaningful way.


    I never contested this, and it's an argument from authority. The right answer or position is not predicated on how many people in the thread disagree with you.

    (Original post by offhegoes)
    Instead of really responding to these points or looking at the consqeuence of them for your arguments, you keep repeating "IQ data shows that..." in multiple threads.


    What point haven't I responded to


    (Original post by offhegoes)
    I'd say denial is ignoring information that doesn't fit your IQ-orientated agenda and just persisting to spout the same unscientific nonsense.


    Which information have I denied to accept because of my bias.
 
 
 
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