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    (Original post by ApplyYourself)
    It was narrated from Umm Karaz that she asked the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) about ‘aqeeqah, and he said: “For a boy, two sheep, and for a female one sheep, and it does not matter if it is male or female.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 1516, who said this is a saheeh hasan hadeeth; and by al-Nasaa’i, 4217; classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in Irwa’ al-Ghaleel, 4/391

    "It was narrated from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) commanded them (to slaughter) two sheep of similar type for a boy and one sheep for a girl."

    Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 1513, who said it is hasan saheeh; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.
    Oh, okay, I have also read up on it now... my personal reflection is that it isn't a bad thing for girls and perhaps could be seen as beneficial even - people see that 2 sheep are being sacrificed and get vexed that only 1 is slaughtered for a girl; I would be happy that Allah has equated the single sheep of a girl to two of a boy, showing perhaps that she is more valuable rather than less. These are just my thoughts, but no one knows the true reason why there is that difference.
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    I find your line of reasoning interesting.

    I would expect someone to lose faith due to complete lack of evidence for a god or any of the rest of it. In normal everyday life you wouldn't just believe in things without evidence. If you did you'd end up being taken for a ride quite a lot of the time. Most Muslims I know seem to see that, yet they don't apply that style of thinking to religion.

    I don't really see how you can start losing faith in the way that you say you are. I mean if you really believe in this all powerful being how can you say his ideas are wrong if you haven't previously lost faith in his being all knowing/powerful etc?
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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    Oh, okay, I have also read up on it now... my personal reflection is that it isn't a bad thing for girls and perhaps could be seen as beneficial even - people see that 2 sheep are being sacrificed and get vexed that only 1 is slaughtered for a girl; I would be happy that Allah has equated the single sheep of a girl to two of a boy, showing perhaps that she is more valuable rather than less. These are just my thoughts, but no one knows the true reason why there is that difference.
    Narrated Usama bin Zaid: The Prophet said, "After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women."Sahih Bukhari 7:62:33

    Narrated 'Aisha: The things which annual prayer were mentioned before me (and those were): a dog, a donkey and a woman. I said, "You have compared us (women) to donkeys and dogs. By Allah! I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in (my) bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I disliked to sit and trouble the Prophet. So, I would slip away by the side of his feet."Sahih Bukhari 1:9:493

    Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion." Sahih Bukhari 1:6:301

    How would you justify these to yourself?
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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    Wikiislam - really? If that is the quality of academic research you used, no wonder you lost your faith...
    Wikiislam is now being administered and operated by EMNA (Ex-Muslims of North America)

    It may have had some issues in the past, but they are working on cleaning them up.

    It would probably still have a bit of an "anti-Islam bias" but I guess everything that's not from Harun Yahya or quranisverybeautifulandamazing.c om would be 'anti-muslim' you

    Besides, they list all their sources, which come from Islamic literature...
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    (Original post by green.tea)
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    Even if Mr all-powerful exists, why does that mean we must automatically submit to Him and His views.

    But I get your point.
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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    Oh, okay, I have also read up on it now... my personal reflection is that it isn't a bad thing for girls and perhaps could be seen as beneficial even - people see that 2 sheep are being sacrificed and get vexed that only 1 is slaughtered for a girl; I would be happy that Allah has equated the single sheep of a girl to two of a boy, showing perhaps that she is more valuable rather than less. These are just my thoughts, but no one knows the true reason why there is that difference.
    In Islam, any Tom, **** and Harry can't make up his own interpretations. What scholars actually support this interpretation of yours?
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    (Original post by chemting)
    Wikiislam is now being administered and operated by EMNA (Ex-Muslims of North America)

    It may have had some issues in the past, but they are working on cleaning them up.

    It would probably still have a bit of an "anti-Islam bias" but I guess everything that's not from Harun Yahya or quranisverybeautifulandamazing.c om would be 'anti-muslim' you

    Besides, they list all their sources, which come from Islamic literature...
    One cannot correct articles without it being considered pro-Islam (even if it is academically more correct), and therefore they remove edits of their wiki articles. It is just a compiled list of refuted claims without their refutations. I will be interested to see how this changes over these next few years.
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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    One cannot correct articles without it being considered pro-Islam (even if it is academically more correct), and therefore they remove edits of their wiki articles. It is just a compiled list of refuted claims without their refutations. I will be interested to see how this changes over these next few years.
    Does sheikh al-munajjid of IslamQA list all the refutations of his claims in his articles?
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    (Original post by The Epicurean)
    In Islam, any Tom, **** and Harry can't make up his own interpretations. What scholars actually support this interpretation of yours?
    Was this meant to be intentionally ironic? And if you read my post properly, you would have realised it was just some reflections on the matter, not a scholarly position, but perhaps that went over your head? I have read that Ibn Qayyim has a different opinion on the matter, though essentially he is guessing too since, as I said, there is no actual clear reason provided in the hadith or the Quran. I haven't read into the hadith in depth enough to know the opinions of multiple scholars beyond him.
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    (Original post by chemting)
    Does sheikh al-munajjid of IslamQA list all the refutations of his claims in his articles?
    Unless it is related to miracles (for which posting the refutation is pointless as a miracle is supernatural by definition) or the existence of Allah, then what claims are there to actually be refuted?
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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    Was this meant to be intentionally ironic? And if you read my post properly, you would have realised it was just some reflections on the matter, not a scholarly position, but perhaps that went over your head? I have read that Ibn Qayyim has a different opinion on the matter, though essentially he is guessing too since, as I said, there is no actual clear reason provided in the hadith or the Quran. I haven't read into the hadith in depth enough to know the opinions of multiple scholars beyond him.
    Would it not be more wise to withhold your opinion than to comment on and mislead people over something you have not read up upon? There is nothing to reflect upon. Either you are stating a factual interpretation supported by scholars, or you are inventing new interpretations. There is no room for every Tom, **** and Harry to come along and "reflect" upon Hadith and introduce their own innovative interpretations to fit with their own moral outlook.
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    (Original post by The Epicurean)
    Would it not be more wise to withhold your opinion than to comment on and mislead people over something you have not read up upon? There is nothing to reflect upon. Either you are stating a factual interpretation supported by scholars, or you are inventing new interpretations. There is no room for every Tom, **** and Harry to come along and "reflect" upon Hadith and introduce their own innovative interpretations to fit with their own moral outlook.
    Ah, so it was meant to be a sarcastic and ironic. The difference is that because it isn't a clear matter, there is no Ijmah on it, whereas when you create your interpretations, you try to do it on clear matters where there is ijmah, and you also say your interpretation in a way where it should be believed and practiced. A further difference is that I am saying that 'perhaps it could mean XYZ', only offering thoughts without affirming my reflections as someyhing that I actually believe to be true, rather I say it without rejecting nor believing it, reserving its true meaning to Allah - much how like people come up with reasons why Muslims fast (beyond because Allah orders it). If you wish to point out irony or hypocrisy, as least do it correctly - what I have said and the way I have said it is not similar to what you do.
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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    Wikiislam - really? If that is the quality of academic research you used, no wonder you lost your faith...
    If you had ever objectively assessed WikiIslam, you would know that it is mostly verbatim quotations from the Quran, hadith, classical tafsir and Ibn Ishaq. There is actually very little commentary or opinion (it is not needed as the texts speak for themselves!).

    Basically, if you want to know the Islamic position on any issue (based on original and classical sources rather than modernist apologists) it is a reference of sources. They even provide a link to academic/Islamic sites for those who may doubt the veracity of the quotes on WikiIslam.

    Criticising WikiIslam as a source is like criticising a library as a source. It is merely a means of arriving at a particular piece of original material.

    On the other hand, most of the Islamic sources that are deemed "acceptable" are mostly opinion pieces, where a modernist apologist spends several pages explaining why the Quran and hadith don't mean what they actually say. The plain textual souces are often the same ones linked to by WikiIslam.

    Seriously, the "Ooh, WikiIslam is so biased and anti-Islam, you can't use it" argument is laughable when you consider that the Islamically acceptable sites are entirely partisan and subjective.

    And can you explain why "pro-Islam" sites are any more trustworthy than "anti-Islam" sites? Especially in the context of what each side stands to lose if disproved. (Just in case you aren't sure...
    If the anti-Islam argument fails, we lose nothing but gain salvation as we would surley convert - if Allah stops misguiding us, of course!
    If the pro-Islam argument fails, you lose your faith and your religion is confirmed as medieval mythology - not to mention all the cushy jobs of the imams and scholars. As Deep Throat said..."Follow the money".)
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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    Oh, okay, I have also read up on it now... my personal reflection is that it isn't a bad thing for girls and perhaps could be seen as beneficial even - people see that 2 sheep are being sacrificed and get vexed that only 1 is slaughtered for a girl; I would be happy that Allah has equated the single sheep of a girl to two of a boy, showing perhaps that she is more valuable rather than less. These are just my thoughts, but no one knows the true reason why there is that difference.
    So, in an Islamic context, the less attention you show someone or something, the more important it is.

    I guess Allah and Muhammad must be pretty insignificant in the islamic scheme of things then?
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    (Original post by QE2)
    If you had ever objectively assessed WikiIslam, you would know that it is mostly verbatim quotations from the Quran, hadith, classical tafsir and Ibn Ishaq. There is actually very little commentary or opinion (it is not needed as the texts speak for themselves!).

    Basically, if you want to know the Islamic position on any issue (based on original and classical sources rather than modernist apologists) it is a reference of sources. They even provide a link to academic/Islamic sites for those who may doubt the veracity of the quotes on WikiIslam.

    Criticising WikiIslam as a source is like criticising a library as a source. It is merely a means of arriving at a particular piece of original material.

    On the other hand, most of the Islamic sources that are deemed "acceptable" are mostly opinion pieces, where a modernist apologist spends several pages explaining why the Quran and hadith don't mean what they actually say. The plain textual souces are often the same ones linked to by WikiIslam.

    Seriously, the "Ooh, WikiIslam is so biased and anti-Islam, you can't use it" argument is laughable when you consider that the Islamically acceptable sites are entirely partisan and subjective.

    And can you explain why "pro-Islam" sites are any more trustworthy than "anti-Islam" sites? Especially in the context of what each side stands to lose if disproved. (Just in case you aren't sure...
    If the anti-Islam argument fails, we lose nothing but gain salvation as we would surley convert - if Allah stops misguiding us, of course!
    If the pro-Islam argument fails, you lose your faith and your religion is confirmed as medieval mythology - not to mention all the cushy jobs of the imams and scholars. As Deep Throat said..."Follow the money".)
    You can't reason with fanatics.
    They will disregard any evidence that even slightly compromises their beliefs, yet blindly agree with anything that reaffirms them. It is why religion still exists.

    Few things are a bigger waste of time than trying to convince a fanatic that he is wrong. If virtually omnipotent aliens arrived at Earth tomorrow and told us all how we were created by them as a way of colonizing the galaxy, then religious fanatics would still refuse to disregard the Koran, or whatever other silly books they read at bed-time.

    So many people believe they need a 1,000+ year book to tell them how to be a good person. That is what I truly find heartbreaking about modern society.

    If someone needs an ancient book with archaic/sexist rules to tell them how to be a good person, or needs the fear of death/God to behave, then they are not a good person in the first place.
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    I was born and raised Muslim. The faith has a lot of good things about it.

    However recently, I am starting to have doubts. I'm not as religious as I used to be. Particularly being a female, I find some parts of Islam extremely sexist.

    For example women have to cover up, men can take up to 4 wives, Muslim women must only marry Muslim men, underage girls are allowed to marry as soon as start puberty ,women aren't allowed to leave the house without a male relative, women will make up the majority in hellfire because they are ungrateful to their husbands , sex slaves are permissible during war, woman's testimony often counts half of a man's testimony, women inheritance half that of a man, a woman must always obey her husband etc.

    But I've read up on all the above and I do appreciate some of them give good reasons as to why. But one thing I can't get over is the fact our prophet Muhammed (pbuh) married Aisha (r.a) when she was only 6 years old. The reason I've heard include those were the times it happened a lot then, She contributed to the spread of Muhammad's(pbuh) message and served the Muslim community for 44 years after his death, the marriage not being consummated until she had reached puberty at the age of nine or ten years old etc. It's really hard for me to overlook.

    But seriously if some joe public did that everyone would find it disgusting. What makes it a problem for me is that men are meant to follow the sunnah of the prophet. This means it's ok for Muslim men to take underage bride. It happens a lot in Afghanistan, Pakistan etc.

    I'm just starting to lose my faith a little and it is mostly to do with its attitude towards women.
    LOL there are so many reasons for those things like have you not read about Islam properly doesn't sound like you have and in the end of the day if you doubt Islam so much you can leave lol the door is open take a hike
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    LOL there are so many reasons for those things like have you not read about Islam properly doesn't sound like you have and in the end of the day if you doubt Islam so much you can leave lol the door is open take a hike
    The majority of Muslims believe the punishment for apostasy in Islam is death.

    How anyone can believe in anything that promotes such archaic ideas is beyond my comprehension. You're more than welcome to spend the entirety of your short time on Earth restricting yourself and living a sheltered/close-minded life, but don't take an aggressive attitude with people who actually have the capacity to think for themselves and question things.

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    I can't stand it when a Muslim says 'Have you read about Islam? You don't like it therefore you mustn't have read about it enough!'. I can spend all day reading about conspiracy theories, it doesn't make them any more true/valid...
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    No it isn't true, those who believe so have been misguide by Salalfis and Islamophobes. Islam does not permit "Sex slaves", but (historically) servitude with conditions, with the easing of lust of those in servitude being permitted. .
    Oh.....so you are doing them a favour? How you about....no slavery in the first place.
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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    Unless it is related to miracles (for which posting the refutation is pointless as a miracle is supernatural by definition) or the existence of Allah, then what claims are there to actually be refuted?
    well, any assertion/claims he makes can be, in theory, refuted... specially if it is erroneous...
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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    It is just a compiled list of refuted claims without their refutations.
    I'm guessing that this is the Islamic definition of "refuted"?

    Refute (v. Islm): To arbitrarily claim "context"; to present a contradictory passage; to cry "ignorant" or "Islamophobe". - OED
 
 
 
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