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    (Original post by PQ)
    "The total cost to the NHS in England last year was £17.13 million and this year the budget has been increased to £22.72 million." http://www.itv.com/news/2015-10-29/transgender/

    Last year the NHS spent over £400m on software and IT - and managed to "save" £348m on DH central budgets ("underspend against the Welfare Foods and School Fruit and Vegetables budgets, DH admin savings, and other central savings". £348m SAVED by spending less on School Fruit and Vegetables Budgets...https://www.gov.uk/government/upload..._14-15_web.pdf

    £23m on transition care is far too low - people are waiting 2+ years for their first APPOINTMENT (never mind actually getting counselling, HRT or surgery)...cutting that further is not going to fix the NHS and providing what is available isn't unfair.

    Yes the NHS is underfunded in a lot of areas - INCLUDING trans healthcare. If you want to be involved in decision making about where funds go then get involved in your local CCG https://www.england.nhs.uk/ccg-details/ - they decide where the money goes and they are obliged to consult with the public (but usually get no interest).

    If you want to fix the NHS then start writing to your MP about getting funding increased for the areas you feel are lacking.
    That's lovely and everything but you're just repeating the same lets fund it because they're a small group nonsense. And 2+ years meh, thats nothing, i had to wait 10+ years for a diagnosis of crohn's.
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    (Original post by Ezme39)
    I'm sorry to hear you've been denied IVF. Am I right in thinking NICE guidance usually suggests two cycles are offered, but some areas can refute this if they do not find it affordable?
    Ta, something like that, thought it was still 3 though.
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    (Original post by dingleberry jam)
    That's lovely and everything but you're just repeating the same lets fund it because they're a small group nonsense. And 2+ years meh, thats nothing, i had to wait 10+ years for a diagnosis of crohn's.
    No I'm not saying fund it because it is small. I'm saying because it is small then cutting it will not solve the problems you've experienced with the NHS elsewhere.

    I'm saying the NHS budget is underresourced everywhere (including trans healthcare). Cutting effective treatment (especially for a group where denying treatment is going to put pressure on other areas of the NHS that are struggling) is a false economy and not tackling the underlying problem. It doesn't even equate to treating the symptoms and not the cause because cutting trans services *will not* treat the problems elsewhere in the NHS.

    I'm sorry you waited 10+ years for a diagnosis - did you wait 2+ years to get referred to a consultant as part of that? Comparing diagnosis times with appointment waiting times is nonsense. My partner waited 10 years to get an NHS wheelchair - that doesn't mean it's not also unacceptable for someone to wait 4 hours to be seen in A&E.
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    (Original post by PQ)
    No I'm not saying fund it because it is small. I'm saying because it is small then cutting it will not solve the problems you've experienced with the NHS elsewhere.
    I'm afraid it boils down to the same thing.

    (Original post by PQ)
    I'm sorry you waited 10+ years for a diagnosis - did you wait 2+ years to get referred to a consultant as part of that?
    Quite possibly, so long ago now i can't remember.
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    (Original post by dingleberry jam)
    So what you're saying is if one person a year wants a dolphinoplasty at £4586010 - £9891750 that's cool? Disgusting prejudice against drug addicts there btw.
    Dolphinoplasty? Doesn't exist. Also comparing gender corrective surgery to a made up surgery, how shameful. You're clearly the prejudiced one here.

    How exactly am I being prejudiced against drug addicts?
    Because I said that they cause themselves damage that I have to pay for?
    Sorry but that's the truth. If they chose to continue taking drugs, drinking, smoking etc, then they are choosing to do damage to themselves.
    They could've gone and gotten help before they caused themselves irreparable damage that requires a transplant. The NHS puts a lot of funding into the quitting addiction services.
    Drugs are a choice, being addicted is not. I understand that.
    Also let's remember that gender dysphoria is a medical condition.
    Being addicted to a substance is not.

    There's help out there for them, if they choose to leave it until they need a transplant and are halfway dead then that's their fault.
    Nonetheless they still deserve surgery, they pay into the NHS just like I do.

    The fact that you are so prejudiced and hateful against transgendered people is sad. I don't know why you hate them so much.
    These people have a medical condition that causes them a lot of suffering and heartache. Their surgery is one that is life changing and transformative.
    If people can get breast enhancement and other cosmetic surgeries on the nhs why should a corrective surgery for a medical condition be denied?

    The NHS is there for all of us and we can't exclude one group of people. We all have the right to treatment and we all pay in. They pay in so they have to right to the surgery they need. Just like we all do.

    I might not always be happy with some of the NHS's choices but to deny one person's surgery open's the door to denying more and more people surgery and treatments just because someone disagrees with it.

    You could argue that people with disfigurements don't need restoration surgery. That obese people don't need gastric bypasses and gastric bands. They're performed much more often than gender corrective surgery.
    People don't need IVF or fertility treatments either but we still give them the treatments and surgeries because the NHS is for everyone.
    The fact you are lack compassion for others is pretty damning of your character. You clearly lack empathy and understanding for others. The fact you try and make their condition sound like a joke shows you immaturity and cruelty.
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    (Original post by NekoAngel13)
    Also let's remember that gender dysphoria is a medical condition.
    Being addicted to a substance is not.
    You might want to have a little think over that one, like I said disgusting prejudice.

    (Original post by NekoAngel13)
    The NHS is there for all of us and we can't exclude one group of people. We all have the right to treatment and we all pay in. They pay in so they have to right to the surgery they need. Just like we all do.
    The NHS is not there for all of us, some of us are denied treatment, I wish we could offer trans people all the help they need but to do so means giving them preferential treatment.

    I'm going to ignore the rest of your post, you're clearly very young and don't know any better.
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    (Original post by zippyRN)
    the trans community and mainstream feminism are not at odds, it;s only the dried up old fossils of the 2nd wave and their acoylytes that are trying to cause problems , but the 2nd wave are about as relevant to feminism in contemporary culture as trotskyites are to government or even social democratic / socialist policy making ...
    but doesn't the concept of transgenderism necessarily uphold gender norms, prejudices and expectations?
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    but doesn't the concept of transgenderism necessarily uphold gender norms, prejudices and expectations?
    No.
 
 
 
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