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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Interesting. If Labour voters are not turning out tonight though, what makes you think the new voters are going to come out in 2020.

    There's little evidence (bar a few students perhaps) that he's engaging new voters.
    Today wasn't really important?

    Well either he engages new voters or the majority of Labour Party support his veiws
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    There's always a trend I've noticed: Labour tend to do really win at the beginning of election counts, then they are annihilated! It's most likely a coincidence.
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    Too right wing = hated.
    Too centrist = hated.
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    (Original post by Whiggy)
    There's always a trend I've noticed: Labour tend to do really win at the beginning of election counts, then they are annihilated! It's most likely a coincidence.
    Labour seats count votes faster
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    Too left wing = hated.
    Too right wing = hated.
    Too centrist = hated.
    In a way when we should have sortion and just have a lottery of people to run the country.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Today wasn't really important?

    Well either he engages new voters or the majority of Labour Party support his veiws
    True but look back to Blair in 96 as somebody who did engage voters.. 1600 gains. If Labour lose votes tonight, that tells most people looking in that actually these new voters don't exist.

    Sure, but a million socialists are not enough to win an election.

    (Original post by Whiggy)
    There's always a trend I've noticed: Labour tend to do really win at the beginning of election counts, then they are annihilated! It's most likely a coincidence.
    It's the urban-rural constituency effect. Labour last time were doing okay until Nuneaton when it sunk in that the Tories were having a pretty good night.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Labour seats count votes faster

    In a way when we should have sortion and just have a lottery of people to run the country.
    Urban seats have lower turnouts.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Labour seats count votes faster

    In a way when we should have sortion and just have a lottery of people to run the country.
    I totally agree with this. At least then politicians can do their job without being slated left, right and centre.
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    A massive increase for the Lib Dems in Orkney! Didn't expect that!
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    True but look back to Blair in 96 as somebody who did engage voters.. 1600 gains. If Labour lose votes tonight, that tells most people looking in that actually these new voters don't exist.

    Sure, but a million socialists are not enough to win an election.
    Or it shows that people are starting to base local elections on local issues?

    I belive it will have to be a coalition with the SNP and LD's
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    Urban seats have lower turnouts.
    That supprised me. Why???
    (Original post by Whiggy)
    I totally agree with this. At least then politicians can do their job without being slated left, right and centre.
    And there isn't lots of point scoring either. Because you get one shot then you are out.
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    (Original post by Whiggy)
    A massive increase for the Lib Dems in Orkney! Didn't expect that!
    Might be a good night for the Lib Dems after all. 16% swing from the SNP!


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    Might be a good night for the Lib Dems after all. 16% swing from the SNP!


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    I honestly sat there squinting at the TV. I honestly couldn't believe it TBH!
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    Might be a good night for the Lib Dems after all.


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    :lol: not a chance.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    And there isn't lots of point scoring either. Because you get one shot then you are out.
    This system may have to be considered in the future.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Or it shows that people are starting to base local elections on local issues?

    I belive it will have to be a coalition with the SNP and LD's

    That supprised me. Why???

    And there isn't lots of point scoring either. Because you get one shot then you are out.
    It's basically because urban constituencies are poorer and younger compared to the Shires.
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    (Original post by Whiggy)
    This system may have to be considered in the future.
    Won't happen
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Won't happen
    I definitely don't see it happening in our lifetime, no, but one day maybe... probably not though
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    Whilst the SNP victory was expected, it's interesting to see Conservative votes in Rutherglen gaining 4% compared to the 11% drop for Labour.
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    In fairness to the Libs they have increased 3% in a second seat in Scotland.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    It's basically because urban constituencies are poorer and younger compared to the Shires.
    It just feels odd because they are also more populous
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    I definitely don't see it happening in our lifetime, no, but one day maybe... probably not though
    People like democracy, personally I like the Swiss version of government and direct democracy but if we are to have representative democracy it should be by some form of 5 houses of government all of which need to agree.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    It just feels odd because they are also more populous

    People like democracy, personally I like the Swiss version of government and direct democracy but if we are to have representative democracy it should be by some form of 5 houses of government all of which need to agree.
    I have to admit that I also like democracy. I wouldn't like it to happen, I'm just saying that anything could happen in the future. As for direct democracy, I think the pros and cons need to be weighed up. If the electorate votes on every policy proposal, then it'd need to either be online or through the post, as to reduce voter fatigue.
 
 
 
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