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    Let me guess, this Drogba discussion was started because of a post from Arsenal Mania.
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    Arsenal Mania is the worst name for a football forum I've ever heard.
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    I hope what I am hearing about a £26.3m bid for Hulk is just a poorly-timed joke, because he is utter *******s. Especially now we know that Reus has a buyout clause of £19.8m. Get him in and our Giroud sized problem is solved.
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    (Original post by BenAssirati)
    I hope what I am hearing about a £26.3m bid for Hulk is just a poorly-timed joke, because he is utter *******s. Especially now we know that Reus has a buyout clause of £19.8m. Get him in and our Giroud sized problem is solved.
    Ewwww Hulk. If this was 09 I would've been excited but he hasn't lived up the hype that we thought he would.
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    (Original post by BenAssirati)
    IEspecially now we know that Reus has a buyout clause of £19.8m.
    is this even fact or is it rumoured?
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    (Original post by Kruz)
    Ewwww Hulk. If this was 09 I would've been excited but he hasn't lived up the hype that we thought he would.
    Even back in 09 he wasn't much beyond the average. The hype of being 'that guy who is nearly as good as Neymar in the Brazil squad' has carried him far beyond what his actual performances suggest. Besides, in 09 we had (in the CF position alone) Eduardo, Van Persie, Vela and Bendtner, all of whom were actually quite good.
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    So so happy ! Arsenal have offered me a season ticket after 12 years of waiting !

    Also we need to bring in a cdm and keep arteta / flamini as backups. Still feel we need another LB (Monreal just can't cut it) and a CB if TV5 goes .

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    (Original post by BenAssirati)
    Even back in 09 he wasn't much beyond the average. The hype of being 'that guy who is nearly as good as Neymar in the Brazil squad' has carried him far beyond what his actual performances suggest. Besides, in 09 we had (in the CF position alone) Eduardo, Van Persie, Vela and Bendtner, all of whom were actually quite good.
    Please look at Hulks record at Porto.

    It's since he went to Zenit that he has turned completely ****.
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    (Original post by barneystin)
    is this even fact or is it rumoured?
    I would be shocked if it were fact, because £19.8m is suicidal for BvB to set in a contract. It is being reported on basically every website, and apparently was started in Germany (by Bayern), so who knows.
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    (Original post by jam278)
    Please look at Hulks record at Porto.

    It's since he went to Zenit that he has turned completely ****.
    54 goals in 99 appearances? In a team that completely dominates a far inferior league (along with Benfica and Sporting)?
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    (Original post by BenAssirati)
    54 goals in 99 appearances? In a team that completely dominates a far inferior league (along with Benfica and Sporting)?
    At right wing. :facepalm2:
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    (Original post by jam278)
    At right wing. :facepalm2:
    Your point being? Players who are deployed as 'wingers' are not necessarily at a disadvantage in scoring goals to center forwards? Just look at players like Ronaldo, Robben, Di Maria, Neymar, Reus. Hell, even Sanchez.
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    (Original post by BenAssirati)
    Your point being? Players who are deployed as 'wingers' are not necessarily at a disadvantage in scoring goals to center forwards? Just look at players like Ronaldo, Robben, Di Maria, Neymar, Reus. Hell, even Sanchez.
    Bar Ronaldo none of the players had better goalscoring records than Hulk at his final two seasons at Porto.

    Also Ronaldo has the whole team set up to create chances for him. Benzema's goal tally is low for a striker at that club because he spends most of the time setting up Ronaldo. It's also why they sold Higuain and Morata.

    You included Di Maria you're clutching at straws anyway.

    In his porto days he was a top player and his final 2 seasons were better than all the players(besides ronaldo). I don't count Neymar's record as he was out of europe and it's not like he had a great goalscoring season for Barcelona last term anyway.
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    (Original post by BenAssirati)
    54 goals in 99 appearances? In a team that completely dominates a far inferior league (along with Benfica and Sporting)?
    portugese stats are skewed

    wasnt jackson martinez something like 25 goals in 27 appearances at some point

    and then theres van wolfswinkel as well
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    (Original post by barneystin)
    portugese stats are skewed

    wasnt jackson martinez something like 25 goals in 27 appearances at some point

    and then theres van wolfswinkel as well
    That's completely missing the point.

    I'm saying he had a very good record. Also if portuguese stats are scored explain Falcao please. Or the likes of Carvalho, Ferreira, Tiago who went to Chelsea and did a great job.

    It's like me saying that the english league is skewed because Owen and Beckham didn't do too well at Real Madrid.
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    (Original post by barneystin)
    portugese stats are skewed

    wasnt jackson martinez something like 25 goals in 27 appearances at some point

    and then theres van wolfswinkel as well
    That is my point. It is unfair to compare his stats with players in La Liga, Bundesliga or the Prem League and say he is 'better than most of them' because of it. I bet you Chamakh or Bendtner would get half decent records in the Primeira Liga, especially if they were in Porto (just look at the 10/11 and 12/13 league tables lmao).
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    (Original post by jam278)
    That's completely missing the point.

    I'm saying he had a very good record. Also if portuguese stats are scored explain Falcao please. Or the likes of Carvalho, Ferreira, Tiago who went to Chelsea and did a great job.

    It's like me saying that the english league is skewed because Owen and Beckham didn't do too well at Real Madrid.
    if a player has talent, they have talent :dontknow: Falcao was obviously talented and thats why Atleti paid so much for him.

    what im trying to say is that its easier to look good in Portugal, but this doesnt actually change the fact that a player might be talented.

    owen wasnt a flop, his goals to minutes ratio was actually good IIRC, and at that point he wasnt the player he used to be was he? he peaked very very young IIRC.

    Beckham, was it really his fault. him playing in the team caused the team to become unbalanced, but thats not his fault, its the managers fault for making bad purchases/ sales.
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    (Original post by BenAssirati)
    That is my point. It is unfair to compare his stats with players in La Liga, Bundesliga or the Prem League and say he is 'better than most of them' because of it. I bet you Chamakh or Bendtner would get half decent records in the Primeira Liga, especially if they were in Porto (just look at the 10/11 and 12/13 league tables lmao).
    :rolleyes:

    I never said that he's better than them. I said that he had a good record at Porto and better than most wingers in other leagues.

    It being an easier league is irrelevant. Especially considering top players have come out of that league. Deco, Falcao, Carvalho, Tiago, Matic etc.
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    (Original post by barneystin)
    if a player has talent, they have talent :dontknow: Falcao was obviously talented and thats why Atleti paid so much for him.
    And Hulk wasn't?
    what im trying to say is that its easier to look good in Portugal, but this doesnt actually change the fact that a player might be talented.
    I get that. But my point was that he was good at Porto, yet Kruz said in 09 thats when he said he was good. So I said that his final 2 seasons at Porto were his best seasons.
    owen wasnt a flop, his goals to minutes ratio was actually good IIRC, and at that point he wasnt the player he used to be was he? he peaked very very young IIRC.
    I mean Woodgate not Owen. Although Owen would be considered a flop by Madrid. Or I can use the Kaka argument to show that Serie A was a crap league in 2009, despite an Italian team winning the CL the next season.
    Beckham, was it really his fault. him playing in the team caused the team to become unbalanced, but thats not his fault, its the managers fault for making bad purchases/ sales.
    Still counts as a flop, regardless of the circumstances at which he flopped.
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    (Original post by jam278)
    :rolleyes:

    I never said that he's better than them. I said that he had a good record at Porto and better than most wingers in other leagues.

    It being an easier league is irrelevant. Especially considering top players have come out of that league. Deco, Falcao, Carvalho, Tiago, Matic etc.
    So Falcao came out of that league. So what? That is a stupid argument that because a few world class players came out of a league, that league cannot be considered inferior. If there are 1/2 good teams in an league of absolute vegetables, I would consider players from those two good teams to have an easier time than say a player of similar record in the BPL or La Liga.
 
 
 
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