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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    The Lib Dems aren't centre-left (atleast not its overall membership). They're centrist. If anything, Labour should split. The Social Democrats would be free to join, and the left can go on pursuing hopeless policies.


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    Farrons my fave party leader Tbf.
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    The Lib Dems aren't centre-left (atleast not its overall membership). They're centrist. If anything, Labour should split. The Social Democrats would be free to join, and the left can go on pursuing hopeless policies.


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    Lol... they really are centre-left. Nick Clegg tried to pull the party into the centre in 2010 (which failed), but historically they have been left of Labour. I think you are a bit of an anomaly to be honest, most Lib Dem voters would far prefer a Labour government to a Conservative one.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Farrons my fave party leader Tbf.
    I've met him twice. A lot of people say he's too nice xD

    I think he's a fairly good speaker. It's mainly just recognition that's been an issue so far for him


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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    Lol... they really are centre-left. Nick Clegg tried to pull the party into the centre in 2010 (which failed), but historically they have been left of Labour. I think you are a bit of an anomaly to be honest, most Lib Dem voters would far prefer a Labour government to a Conservative one.
    "Historically they've been left of Labour!!!"

    Are you actually kidding me? Like legit, are you kidding me? The Lib Dems are made up of Liberals (Centrist and Centre-Rights) and Social Democrats (Centre-Left). Labour are made up of Social Democrats (Centre-Left) and Socialists (Left). How on earth can the Lib Dems therefore be left of Labour?

    At the moment, the Lib Dems wouldn't want either Government. Cameron's awful. Corbyns awful. The coalition wasn't awful, so I think most Lib Dems would take ConLD again.

    Clegg didn't fail to move us to the Centre. We ARE in the centre.


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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    Lol no they don't. Definitely not. Especially with Corbyn as leader. Don't be so absurd. Most Liberal Democrats absolutely despise Corbyns Labour


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    I thought it was the lib dems aim for ages to prove how they are left of Blair/New Labour in order to pick up votes so I'm unsure why most would despise Corbyn (also if interested most of the local Lib Dems including nearly all the candidates are voting labour instead of lib dem, especially for the local GLA member and putting Sadiq first and not voting for Caroline Pigeon at all)
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    (Original post by Kay_Winters)
    I thought it was the lib dems aim for ages to prove how they are left of Blair/New Labour in order to pick up votes so I'm unsure why most would despise Corbyn (also if interested most of the local Lib Dems including nearly all the candidates are voting labour instead of lib dem, especially for the local GLA member and putting Sadiq first and not voting for Caroline Pigeon at all)
    I struggle to believe that last bit, though admittedly our priority has been getting votes on the party list as we're not going to win in any constituencies in London.


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    (Original post by Kay_Winters)
    I thought it was the lib dems aim for ages to prove how they are left of Blair/New Labour in order to pick up votes so I'm unsure why most would despise Corbyn (also if interested most of the local Lib Dems including nearly all the candidates are voting labour instead of lib dem, especially for the local GLA member and putting Sadiq first and not voting for Caroline Pigeon at all)
    Clegg moved the party towards the centre. The Lib Dems began to appeal to centrists and right-of-centre, then they joined a coalition with the Conservatives. I suppose they used to be slightly left-of-centre, but they certainly aren't anymore from what I can tell.

    Most of the social democrats within the party left when the Lib Dems formed a coalition with the Tories.
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    "Historically they've been left of Labour!!!"

    Are you actually kidding me? Like legit, are you kidding me? The Lib Dems are made up of Liberals (Centrist and Centre-Rights) and Social Democrats (Centre-Left). Labour are made up of Social Democrats (Centre-Left) and Socialists (Left). How on earth can the Lib Dems therefore be left of Labour?

    At the moment, the Lib Dems wouldn't want either Government. Cameron's awful. Corbyns awful. The coalition wasn't awful, so I think most Lib Dems would take ConLD again.

    Clegg didn't fail to move us to the Centre. We ARE in the centre.


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    No, I'm not kidding you. All the Lib Dems I know/have spoken to (including the president of the party btw), say they are left of Labour. As I say, I think you're an anomaly.
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    No, I'm not kidding you. All the Lib Dems I know/have spoken to (including the president of the party btw), say they are left of Labour. As I say, I think you're an anomaly.
    I can't see Sal Brinton saying that we're left of Labour, especially at the moment!


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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    I struggle to believe that last bit, though admittedly our priority has been getting votes on the party list as we're not going to win in any constituencies in London.

    We've hit up lib dems as possible second preference and local voters, including previous local and constituency candidates for the party, although the local GLA candidate might still be on holiday as they have been for most of the election, and that is the replies we've been getting, lib dem on the list, but Sadiq for Mayor, and locally it's a straight race between Labour and Tory and the Tory candidate is really disliked by a lot of people

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    Clegg moved the party towards the centre. The Lib Dems began to appeal to centrists and right-of-centre, then they joined a coalition with the Conservatives. I suppose they used to be slightly left-of-centre, but they certainly aren't anymore from what I can tell.

    Most of the social democrats within the party left when the Lib Dems formed a coalition with the Tories.
    It was more joke-y remark to petros, but you have a point, I just recall so much I've heard of Charles Kennedy, and the way he took the party, and I think that effect continued until the coalition when some of the lib dems left wing supporters had enough. I know I certainly would have very strongly considered voting lib dem in 2005.
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    (Original post by Kay_Winters)
    It was more joke-y remark to petros, but you have a point, I just recall so much I've heard of Charles Kennedy, and the way he took the party, and I think that effect continued until the coalition when some of the lib dems left wing supporters had enough. I know I certainly would have very strongly considered voting lib dem in 2005.
    In all fairness, Kennedy was probably left of Blair xD I just don't think the parties as a whole were that way


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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    I can't see Sal Brinton saying that we're left of Labour, especially at the moment!


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    Have you ever met her?
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    Have you ever met her?
    Yes, just the once rather briefly at the London Liberal Democrat Conference. I have no doubt that she is left of centre. But the party definitely is not left of Corbyns Labour


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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    I've met him twice. A lot of people say he's too nice xD

    I think he's a fairly good speaker. It's mainly just recognition that's been an issue so far for him


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    Aye. As an anti -Tory, I'm routing for the lib dems to recover and starting winning back seats in the south which labour cannot!
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    Yes, just the once rather briefly at the London Liberal Democrat Conference. I have no doubt that she is left of centre. But the party definitely is not left of Corbyns Labour


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    Corbyn =/= Labour imo. I knew Sal when she was campaigning in the 2010 election and she/the party was very firmly left of Labour back then. The Lib Dems lost so many MPs because centre-left voters abandoned them. If they want those seats back, they need to move back to the centre-left.
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    Corbyn =/= Labour imo. I knew Sal when she was campaigning in the 2010 election and she/the party was very firmly left of Labour back then. The Lib Dems lost so many MPs because centre-left voters abandoned them. If they want those seats back, they need to move back to the centre-left.
    We lost votes because we were the junior partners in a coalition. We were always going to come off badly. We will recover as a Centrist, and hopefully radically, liberal party. In 2010, there is no way the party were left of Labour given how prominent the Orange bookers were back then.


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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    We lost votes because we were the junior partners in a coalition. We were always going to come off badly. We will recover as a Centrist, and hopefully radically, liberal party. In 2010, there is no way the party were left of Labour given how prominent the Orange bookers were back then.


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    Lb Dems won't recover as centrists. I think my memory of 2010 is a little clearer than yours. :lol:
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    Lb Dems won't recover as centrists. I think my memory of 2010 is a little clearer than yours. :lol:
    Only time will tell.

    Oh definitely, but there's no doubt the Orange bookers were more prominent then than now.


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    Eastwood gained by the Conservatives from Labour! :eek:
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    Isaac Duffy didn't win his seat

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