Hey there! Sign in to join this conversationNew here? Join for free

Doctor Who - Discussion Thread III (no untagged future spoilers) Watch

  • View Poll Results: What did you think about the first storyline of series 9?
    Excellent
    0
    0%
    Good
    0
    0%
    Average
    0
    0%
    Poor
    0
    0%
    Awful
    0
    0%

    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by catyyy)
    I thought it was fantastic - I know some people felt that it would have made the doctor a more interesting character had he killed all the daleks and all the Gallifreyans, but we have to remember that it is a family show.
    But we have to remember...that this was the basis for the character since the re-birth of the show - we're led to beleive that he did end the time war in a ball of fire. Only the last episode has changed that. Or has it only been a kids show since yesterday?
    Offline

    14
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Hugs31)
    Thought John Hurt was brilliant as the Doctor, Joanna Page less so as Queen Elizabeth I (more Miranda Richardson than Judi Dench), that was the only bit of bad casting in it though the rest (Tennant, Smith, Hurt, Coleman, Redgrave etc.) were very strong. Thought footage of the actual Time War itself was quite sparse (no Master, no Nightmare Child, no Dalek Emperor, no Crucible etc.), I was also under the impression that the Doctor fought on the front line as well as using the Moment to end the war.

    Moffat still did a good job on it though and has made a bold move in changing the narrative and history of the revived series. It was definitely an episode for the fans.

    Two final questions:
    1) How did the Doctor and Clara escape the Doctor's time stream from the series finale? Thought River Song said it would be impossible and that they'd be trapped.
    2) What causes the regeneration of John Hurt's Doctor? Was it quite simply old age in his current incarnation like Hartnell?

    Actually yeah, the one thing I would have changed is the fact that the Time War footage was pretty short. It would have been good to see a master cameo. Also to have seen some TIme Lord offensives to show it was a perpetual war rather then just the Daleks beating the Time Lords.

    I'm hoping to see more Time War, either as flashbacks as the Doctor searches for Galifrey (or after he finds it and encounters some of the Time Lords who were changed by the war) - or as a prequel miniseries with Paul MgGann.
    Offline

    11
    ReputationRep:
    It was a bit disappointing tbh
    Offline

    14
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Farseer)
    But we have to remember...that this was the basis for the character since the re-birth of the show - we're led to beleive that he did end the time war in a ball of fire. Only the last episode has changed that. Or has it only been a kids show since yesterday?
    I don't think it changes the most important part of it - that he was willing to destroy all the Time Lords and all the Daleks. The only reason he didn't is that he was given another option by Bad Wolf girl letting future doctors into the time lock.

    So it changes nothing about his character as he would have pressed the button. It just gives the writers a goldmine of new storylines - a search for Galifrey and possible encounters with war-scarred Time Lords.
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    there's one thing i didn't understand from the 50th, didn't david tennants doctor already find galafrey in his last episode where he regenerated and sent them back into the time lock because he thought they were too dangerous, that all makes sense but why now as matt smiths doctor is he trying to find galafrey again?
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by paddyman4)
    I don't think it changes the most important part of it - that he was willing to destroy all the Time Lords and all the Daleks. The only reason he didn't is that he was given another option by Bad Wolf girl letting future doctors into the time lock.

    So it changes nothing about his character as he would have pressed the button. It just gives the writers a goldmine of new storylines - a search for Galifrey and possible encounters with war-scarred Time Lords.
    Seeing your entire race burn and knowing that you caused it, I assume would have an effect on a person, I would have thought. Turn's out he ''forgot'' that he didn't do it and also imagined(?) that he did do it too - the 10th doctor (eccelston) said 'I watched it happen, I made it happen''. So from this point on the 12th doctor who for some reason didn't get his memory mixed up because of the time sync or something or other - and goes off to search for Gallifrey, conscience clear.

    There are plenty of ways to introduce new storylines without re-working the histroy of events so far.

    (Original post by Sapphire123)
    there's one thing i didn't understand from the 50th, didn't david tennants doctor already find galafrey in his last episode where he regenerated and sent them back into the time lock because he thought they were too dangerous, that all makes sense but why now as matt smiths doctor is he trying to find galafrey again?
    No, no - you're supposed to cheer at the cameo appearences. Thanks.

    I think I'm done here, though. I'm glad that some of you enjoyed the episode - but for me, it was disappointing and following a weak season (with a couple of really good episodes), I think I'm done with the show.
    Offline

    16
    ReputationRep:
    I have to say I'm fairly disappointed. I liked the idea that the Doctor did something terrible. I always had it in my head that he was just a normal soldier who was presented with this horrible opportunity and had to take it. It's what made Eccleston's Doctor so good. Last of the Time Lords etc.

    I thought Tennant was excellent and definitely outshone Smith. I think for a lot of people, Tennant will always be the Doctor.

    Seeing Capaldi was a nice touch, and Tom Baker at the end was brilliant. I'm not sure if it would have been overkill or not, but if he just came up to Smith and said 'Would you like a jelly baby?' I think I would have died!

    I just really really wish Eccleston was in it, even as a cameo at the end when Hurt regenerated with the 'weight of the world' look in his eyes.

    And what happened with the Zygons??

    It was entertaining but it could have been a lot better.
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    Was I the only one who saw Eccleston more than once? He was there in the 13 doctors scene, and you could see his features appearing in the Hurt regeneration scene. It would have been nicer if there had been just a few seconds of him post-regeneration.

    I have a question that I haven't spotted yet on this thread.

    Why didn't 9 recognise Rose in the beginning of 'Rose' (the episode!), when he'd already spent a long time interacting with 'the Moment' who had taken her form? Fair enough, you can just say that he was lying when he met her, but it's very odd to suggest now that he'd seen Rose's/Bad Wolf's face before he met her, when this had no impact on him. I need to re-watch the episode as I watched with friends and may have missed things, but I didn't understand that. I guess it might be governed by the whole 'everyone forgetting' thing - when the Doctor forgets that he actually saved Gallifrey, maybe he forgets interacting with the Moment...?
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    His memory of the incident is forgotten and the 9th Doctor still thinks that he Burned gallifrey.
    Offline

    21
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by St. Brynjar)
    I have to say I'm fairly disappointed. I liked the idea that the Doctor did something terrible. I always had it in my head that he was just a normal soldier who was presented with this horrible opportunity and had to take it. It's what made Eccleston's Doctor so good. Last of the Time Lords etc.

    I thought Tennant was excellent and definitely outshone Smith. I think for a lot of people, Tennant will always be the Doctor.

    Seeing Capaldi was a nice touch, and Tom Baker at the end was brilliant. I'm not sure if it would have been overkill or not, but if he just came up to Smith and said 'Would you like a jelly baby?' I think I would have died!

    I just really really wish Eccleston was in it, even as a cameo at the end when Hurt regenerated with the 'weight of the world' look in his eyes.

    And what happened with the Zygons??

    It was entertaining but it could have been a lot better.
    The Doctor did he killed a billion billion daleks watch Tennant in Journey's End as the 10th Doctor and see how bad he suggests that is.
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Saleem Aslam)
    His memory of the incident is forgotten and the 9th Doctor still thinks that he Burned gallifrey.
    Yeah ok, I get that. But he must remember something - he's said before that he watched Gallifrey burn. And to burn Gallifrey he would have had to use the Moment, since that was the weapon. So did he just forget the whole interface/conscience thing?
    Offline

    16
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Dalek1099)
    The Doctor did he killed a billion billion daleks watch Tennant in Journey's End as the 10th Doctor and see how bad he suggests that is.
    Aye, but that's not the same as killing all Daleks and all Time Lords off-screen, if you get what I mean.
    Offline

    21
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by St. Brynjar)
    Aye, but that's not the same as killing all Daleks and all Time Lords off-screen, if you get what I mean.
    You could argue its worse because the Doctor chose to save the Timelords over the Daleks-a godlike quality and it made me think of Voyager and how the Doctor in Voyager couldn't get over the fact he chose to save one patient over another when he couldn't save both if he had failed to save both in the first place I doubt he would have had this moral dilemma this is from the episode "Latent Image".
    Offline

    21
    ReputationRep:
    I have just realised a massive error in the episode because a lot of daleks were on Gallifrey when it was frozen we saw them trying to exterminate timelords on the surface.I don't think Moffat can pull off rubbish like the Doctor managed to freeze only Timelords and the other Daleks were left behind.
    • Community Assistant
    Offline

    21
    ReputationRep:
    Community Assistant
    (Original post by Dalek1099)
    I have just realised a massive error in the episode because a lot of daleks were on Gallifrey when it was frozen we saw them trying to exterminate timelords on the surface.I don't think Moffat can pull off rubbish like the Doctor managed to freeze only Timelords and the other Daleks were left behind.
    The implication through the series has been that the Timelords win a 1 on 1 fight, the Daleks in numbers and ruthlessness. As such they probably defeat those trapped with them.
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Rakas21)
    The implication through the series has been that the Timelords win a 1 on 1 fight, the Daleks in numbers and ruthlessness. As such they probably defeat those trapped with them.
    Not necessarily - Nine thought that the one Dalek they found in the museum was enough to destroy the world...
    Offline

    21
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Rakas21)
    The implication through the series has been that the Timelords win a 1 on 1 fight, the Daleks in numbers and ruthlessness. As such they probably defeat those trapped with them.
    It seemed like the Daleks were all over the surface and completely conquering gallifrey though and where is this implication said?
    • Community Assistant
    Offline

    21
    ReputationRep:
    Community Assistant
    (Original post by Dalek1099)
    It seemed like the Daleks were all over the surface and completely conquering gallifrey though and where is this implication said?
    That was just their second city. There was nothing shown in regards to the capital Gallifrey.
    Offline

    12
    ReputationRep:
    Wow, people are certainly over analysing this episode.
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by VladThe1mpaler)
    Wow, people are certainly over analysing this episode.


    Posted from TSR Mobile

    So true
    They should just enjoy it , it is the 50th year after all and is a time of celebration for Doctor Who.
 
 
 
Reply
Submit reply
TSR Support Team

We have a brilliant team of more than 60 Support Team members looking after discussions on The Student Room, helping to make it a fun, safe and useful place to hang out.

Updated: July 28, 2017
  • See more of what you like on The Student Room

    You can personalise what you see on TSR. Tell us a little about yourself to get started.

  • Poll
    Brussels sprouts
    Useful resources
  • See more of what you like on The Student Room

    You can personalise what you see on TSR. Tell us a little about yourself to get started.

  • The Student Room, Get Revising and Marked by Teachers are trading names of The Student Room Group Ltd.

    Register Number: 04666380 (England and Wales), VAT No. 806 8067 22 Registered Office: International House, Queens Road, Brighton, BN1 3XE

    Quick reply
    Reputation gems: You get these gems as you gain rep from other members for making good contributions and giving helpful advice.