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    I wont pretend to know much, because I don't have the inclination to watch continental football, but whenever I would see scores from Barca matches, Cesc would regularly be on the score sheet IIRC. He surely wasnt that bad :dontknow:
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    Barca/Real Madrid have a ridiculous model that has the need to show they are the biggest club in La Liga/the world. Typically this is done with a marquee signing.

    When Neymar was bought, it pretty much spelt the end of Fabregas truth be told. Messi is always going to play central for the next few years when he's fit since he's the best in the world in that position. If you had hardworking wingers on the flanks then Fabregas could play behind Messi and you attack through the middle.

    However as soon as Neymar came in, Barca were going to revert to a 4-3-3. Even moreso this summer with the purchase of Suarez - there will be a attacking front three which then requires a solid and creative midfield trio.

    Fabregas doesn't fall into that properly tbh. He's best quality is the vertical - pushing from deep and going into attacking positions. Barca need horizontal quality to cover the middle of the park while that ridiculous trio in front do their magic. Busquets, Iniesta, Mascherano, Rakitic etc all fall within that and suit the system better.

    Barca don't even need a plan B in Fabregas since each of Messi, Neymar and Suarez can and will play through the middle or two could play with one playing off the other etc.
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    (Original post by barneystin)
    I wont pretend to know much, because I don't have the inclination to watch continental football, but whenever I would see scores from Barca matches, Cesc would regularly be on the score sheet IIRC. He surely wasnt that bad :dontknow:
    Cesc was playing as the false 9 for quite a lot of their matches(when Messi was out).

    Problem is that Iniesta, Messi and Fabregas can't play together. So it's essentially whether Fabregas can take a spot off Messi(that's not going to happen) or whether he can take a spot off Iniesta(not going to happen). That is where the whole problem of not being suited to the system comes from(i.e. it's a load of ****) he just is an unfortunate victim of two world class players playing ahead of him so he has to be a utility man for rotational purposes.

    There was a point where Guardiola fitted him by playing 3atb e.g. with Abidal, Puyol/Masch and Pique. and Fabregas and Messi played as an attacking mid and false 9 and interchanged I remember. Didn't get them results I think so he changed back to 4-3-3 and played Fab on the wing a few times.

    It's not a case of not fitting the system or not having tactical discipline, it's a case of not being good enough to take two world class players spots.
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    Wow the CL qualifier games look much easier for Arsenal this year. Potentially one from the following:

    Spain Athletic Bilbao CC: 54.542
    France Lille CC: 45.300
    Denmark Copenhagen CC: 45.260
    Belgium Standard Liège CC: 38.260
    Turkey Beşiktaş CC: 32.840
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    Wow the CL qualifier games look much easier for Arsenal this year. Potentially one from the following:

    Spain Athletic Bilbao CC: 54.542
    France Lille CC: 45.300
    Denmark Copenhagen CC: 45.260
    Belgium Standard Liège CC: 38.260
    Turkey Beşiktaş CC: 32.840
    Was gutted Feyenoord were knocked out by Besiktas tbh, my brother and I have a long standing ambition to see Arsenal smash them at De Kuip :beer:


    The CL qualifier must be a nice little revenue spinner as well when AFC sell 60,000 tickets and then the TV rights etc! Arguably better than going directly into the CL from that perspective
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    £15M for Vermaelen, oh Arsene. I think we should either get Nastasić or the Basel guy Schär.

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    £15M for Vermaelen, oh Arsene.

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    Too good.

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    So now Arsene's going to have to buy a defender, if he can't, would be push Coquelin to defence or promote from the reserves (Bellerin, Miquel, Hayden)?
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    (Original post by shawn_o1)
    So now Arsene's going to have to buy a defender, if he can't, would be push Coquelin to defence or promote from the reserves (Bellerin, Miquel, Hayden)?
    Isn't Chambers his replacement?

    Verm only made 7 starts last season, surely Chambers can fill his shoes.
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    Too good.

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    Chambers is a right-back (and the reason why Jenkinson's off on loan)
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    Sad to see Vermaelen go, he was always one of my favourites, but it's the best decision for all involved. He needs something fresh to get back to his best. He is still one of the best progressive CBs around and in Spain the game will suit him better as well.

    If Verm hits form and slots in tactically then £15m for Barca will be good business for them, but saying that he's not much use to us any more so £15m is great business given age etc. I'd have taken £10m.

    If Chambers will be a LT CB for us I'd like to get a young physical defender to go with him. Any Tony Adams' coming through atm?
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    Got another Turkish side again

    (I don't think there's anything suspicious about their circumstances this time. Last season Arsenal would've made it to CL GS whether they won or not)
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Was gutted Feyenoord were knocked out by Besiktas tbh, my brother and I have a long standing ambition to see Arsenal smash them at De Kuip :beer:


    The CL qualifier must be a nice little revenue spinner as well when AFC sell 60,000 tickets and then the TV rights etc! Arguably better than going directly into the CL from that perspective
    Mmm disagree. The TV pool allocation for money from CL participation drops from 20% down to 10% (difference between 3rd and 4th). I think that 10% is worth about £5million (and will be even bigger next season when the BT CL rights kick in).

    Selling 60k tickets will generate £3mil but then there's a lot of associated costs which will eat into any profit. Not sure how much you get for tv rights for those 2 games. I can't imagine it's huge and it might already be packed into the tv rights bundle with just a small element being paid to the club for being shown on tv. I think for the Premier League it's £750,000 per TV appearance.
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    Mmm disagree. The TV pool allocation for money from CL participation drops from 20% down to 10% (difference between 3rd and 4th). I think that 10% is worth about £5million (and will be even bigger next season when the BT CL rights kick in).

    Selling 60k tickets will generate £3mil but then there's a lot of associated costs which will eat into any profit. Not sure how much you get for tv rights for those 2 games. I can't imagine it's huge and it might already be packed into the tv rights bundle with just a small element being paid to the club for being shown on tv. I think for the Premier League it's £750,000 per TV appearance.
    Not worth anywhere near £5m, the winners barely get £50m.
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    (Original post by barneystin)
    Isn't Chambers his replacement?

    Verm only made 7 starts last season, surely Chambers can fill his shoes.
    Nah Wenger had made it clear that if Verm leaves he will be replaced
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    I honestly LOL every time Zurich chats ****, vying with Butty for the best troll that this forum has
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    Barca/Real Madrid have a ridiculous model that has the need to show they are the biggest club in La Liga/the world. Typically this is done with a marquee signing.

    When Neymar was bought, it pretty much spelt the end of Fabregas truth be told. Messi is always going to play central for the next few years when he's fit since he's the best in the world in that position. If you had hardworking wingers on the flanks then Fabregas could play behind Messi and you attack through the middle.
    I disagree here.

    The problem with Fabregas is Iniesta and Messi. Not just about attacking through the middle. He can play in a 4-3-3 too, it's just that he likes to be the most advanced but Iniesta is the most advanced central midfielder.
    However as soon as Neymar came in, Barca were going to revert to a 4-3-3. Even moreso this summer with the purchase of Suarez - there will be a attacking front three which then requires a solid and creative midfield trio.

    Fabregas doesn't fall into that properly tbh. He's best quality is the vertical - pushing from deep and going into attacking positions. Barca need horizontal quality to cover the middle of the park while that ridiculous trio in front do their magic. Busquets, Iniesta, Mascherano, Rakitic etc all fall within that and suit the system better.
    4-3-3 ain't the problem, if you say that his best quality is vertical in pushing from deep and going to attacking positions then he suits 4-3-3 more than 4-2-3-1 anyway, the whole point of a 4-3-3 central midfielder is being able to push forward into space. Fabregas would love that more so than a 4-2-3-1. Fab has a free role in the 4-2-3-1 which is why he did so well but you could make him play Lampards position and he'll do well as well personally.
    Barca don't even need a plan B in Fabregas since each of Messi, Neymar and Suarez can and will play through the middle or two could play with one playing off the other etc.
    Hmm I disagree here, still a problem with strength and height, Suarez rectifies that to an extent I guess but honestly they could have done with a no.9 as a plan B, Messi, Neymar and Suarez pretty much occupy the same space and it can go either perfectly or very pear shaped for this reason, meaning they keep on relying on extra high up wing backs and then being thrashed subsequently Arsenal style(although they have pace tbf so can just score more goals to make up for it). I'd assume Rakitic is better defensively than Fabregas too which allows the front three to not bother as much in tracking back. Suarez attacking qualities will be negated if he's sacrificed for defensive work on the wing and same for Neymar.

    Personally if I was Barca I'd have just got a box to box midfielder(who's mobile and can play in Xavi's position) and a big no.9 up top. Guess they've sort of done that tbf.
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    15m for Verm is very good business imo. I didn't like using him as back up because he tended to be quite a liability at times (along with Monreal)
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    (Original post by SHOO)
    Nah Wenger had made it clear that if Verm leaves he will be replaced
    oh.

    i hope we get someone unknown from Ligue 2.

    since the arrival of ozil, sanchez and spending £26m on rightbacks in one window, I just hope Arsene doesn't stray too far from his roots.
 
 
 
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