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    (Original post by marcusfox)
    Not all places I could get it on have internet access. Yes, I know that's wide open to a similar joke you made earlier, but anyway...
    get a smartphone smartypants
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    (Original post by menagerie)
    She told the police that she hadn't wanted to have sex with him there in the park, but did. That is having sex against your will. That is rape.
    Not if the man 'reasonably believed' she was consenting.

    http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2003...2#pt1-pb1-l1g1
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    (Original post by cowsgoquack)
    there is a difference between small boobs, and no boobs.
    pre-pubescent boobs have underdeveloped nipples, with adults even with minimal mammary tissue there is a noticeable and characteristic change in nipple anatomy.

    its all about the nips boy. live and learn.
    Ummm, not sure how exactly you expect me to know so much about underage breasts...
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    (Original post by marcusfox)
    Ummm, not sure how exactly you expect me to know so much about underage breasts...
    I dunno catching a glimpse of your neighbours daughter playing in the paddling pool, orrrr babysitting for your niece orrrrrr 12chan orrrrrr medical textbooks?
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    (Original post by Carbolic Smokeball)
    Not if the man 'reasonably believed' she was consenting.

    http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2003...2#pt1-pb1-l1g1
    Yeah, which I believe he did. Sorry, that post is one of about four where I was saying that the girl afterwards claimed she was raped, when the guy believed (and she was) she was consenting.
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    (Original post by menagerie)
    Yeah, which I believe he did. Sorry, that post is one of about four where I was saying that the girl afterwards claimed she was raped, when the guy believed (and she was) she was consenting.
    soooooooooo she wasn't raped (only statutorilily)
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    (Original post by menagerie)
    She told the police that she hadn't wanted to have sex with him there in the park, but did. That is having sex against your will. That is rape.
    surely that doesn't automatically mean it's rape?

    What if the girl had said "I want to have sex with you", but didn't really want to, then told the police afterwards she didn't really want to, surely that wouldn't be rape?
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    (Original post by cowsgoquack)
    I dunno catching a glimpse of your neighbours daughter playing in the paddling pool, orrrr babysitting for your niece orrrrrr 12chan orrrrrr medical textbooks?
    All those could leave me [or anyone] ending up like that guy in the OP.

    Sensible to avoid.
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    (Original post by marcusfox)
    All those could leave me [or anyone] ending up like that guy in the OP.
    only for you marcusfox, only for you
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...ception-charge

    Think this is worse
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    (Original post by phen)
    Sure, he wasn't on the moral high ground, but that doesn't justify a conviction. Why make more enquiries? He 'knew' the girl was 16 and she obviously wasn't going to tell him otherwise, so what's the point of more enquiries? What do you expect from him? Check her ID?

    Also, it's incredibly thick of you to state that there have been dozens of court cases under these same circumstances. There haven't: they're all unique. To convict him the same way as a 19 y/o who made no enquiries when having sex with a 12 y/o just because he 'should have made more enquiries' is ridiculous.
    I guess it just seemed a bit foolish of him to rush into something like that with some random girl off the internet without even knowing much about her, but it's probably been done before and will be done again. Something like this just shows how careful you have to be.

    I realise they're all unique, but just as with any court case, you rely on precedent, don't you? So you'd focus on what's similar to previous cases rather than purely what's different. Of course you can then apply different rules etc., but I'm no law expert nor have any desire to be, and I admit that. I'm just saying that if anyone else were in that situation, I would expect them to be treated similarly - not that there have been 'dozens of court cases under these circumstances' (not sure where you got that from).

    But then, none of this probably made sense to you, if what I was saying before seemed incredibly thick. :dontknow:
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    (Original post by yoyo462001)
    If she showed him fake ID i doubt he would be in this situation, he has done everything in his power to verify her age.
    I'm referencing the idea that even asking for ID can be seen as very suspect. Everyone knows you don't regularly ask people to verify their identities when you meet them, this could easily be touched upon in court. Basically, he was in a situation where he was screwed if he did, screwed if he didn't.
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    (Original post by Carbolic Smokeball)
    Not if the man 'reasonably believed' she was consenting.

    http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2003...2#pt1-pb1-l1g1
    This isn't s1, it's s5, consent, belief etc. are not relevant. It's a strict liability offence.

    Shocking mistake for someone with that username!!
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    (Original post by WrigglyMammoth)
    Hitler had a law

    It was called Kill all Jews

    **** off nazi

    You want the law changed, get it changed. Just don't expect all others to agree it needs changing.

    You may have noticed, you live in a society that has laws. Some protect you, some prevent you from doing things.
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    (Original post by cowsgoquack)
    possibly, though im not sure. there have been more and more cases of feamles being prosecuted for stautory rape/molesting a minor.

    Though there haven't been that many males that claim they were a victim. Brag they scored maybe, but how many will tell their parents they have had sex?
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    (Original post by Jonty99)
    surely that doesn't automatically mean it's rape?

    What if the girl had said "I want to have sex with you", but didn't really want to, then told the police afterwards she didn't really want to, surely that wouldn't be rape?

    Ask a Blackpool businessman named Owen Oyston. Years after the event the girls cried rape and he served time.
    For rape.

    Whether he did or not commit the crime (exactly what do escorts expect?) is a different matter.

    If you have sex with a girl and next morning she goes to the police with the evidence inside her claiming rape, exactly what defence do you think you have?
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    (Original post by mart2306)
    Ask a Blackpool businessman named Owen Oyston. Years after the event the girls cried rape and he served time.
    For rape.

    Whether he did or not commit the crime (exactly what do escorts expect?) is a different matter.

    If you have sex with a girl and next morning she goes to the police with the evidence inside her claiming rape, exactly what defence do you think you have?
    Girl: I was raped.
    Boy: I didn't rape her.

    Surely they can't just accept the girl's word, can they?
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    (Original post by Jonty99)
    Girl: I was raped.
    Boy: I didn't rape her.

    Surely they can't just accept the girl's word, can they?
    No. Thats why the CPS are loath to prosecute such cases. But often they are under pressure to do so and in court it fails because juries are not going to go all out on the one person's word against another angle.

    And then people complain that the rape conviction rate is bad.
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    (Original post by Dannnnn)
    Then again if she was able to pass away as a 16 year old, no one would really ask for more proof of their age. She even said on her Facebook and whatever else that she was 16 so in a way she was being misleading. If she was really tall / heavily developed already for her age then you can't really punish him for that.

    And yet he did get punished. Not for her looking and acting 16, but for having sex with a 12 year old.

    If she had been 15 maybe people could look the other way, not so many teenagers are taken to court for sex with a 15 year old.
    But a 12 year old?

    Yes, she lied. But he was the one the court treat as being the only person able to consent to sex. He decided to have sex.

    So treat him in a similar way to other males having sex with a 12 year old girl.

    If she had died before the sex act he'd have been done for necrophilia probably as well - when was the last time any of us checked the pulse of the person we were having sex with?
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    (Original post by Jonty99)
    Girl: I was raped.
    Boy: I didn't rape her.

    Surely they can't just accept the girl's word, can they?
    Rape would have to remain one of the crimes the victims word and proof of intercourse means reasonably proven. However since there's a rising trend of false reports maybe the next step would be to toughen the punishment for them? Now it's practically non-existent and it seems that's not working.
 
 
 
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