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    Hehe, I'm friends with one of the "most beautiful" girls on that OKCupid study. Wonder what she would make of all this...
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    I have also noticed one thing.

    The male hunks, the guys who genuinely **** legit 9/10 feminine girls week in and week out, the ones who look like this beast:

    http://i.imgur.com/V8tYgVM.jpg

    are usually average/below average height. I legit think there's a correlation between a high testesterone face and height. In my opnion to look like a male hunk you need the right combination of HGH and testosterone produced in yuor body during puberty and these guys find the perfect balance and don't end up being too tall and hence their faces aren't long [the face shape of death].
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    I never meant overall average, I mean a guy who looks average facially.

    And in my opinion, overall, taking everything into account, the average looking guy with all those trait is a far better man than the hot dumb guy, unfortunately girls don't think that way and that's all that matters.



    That's the only redeeming feature of an LTR. But if you look average and/or are not dominant/masculine enough in the relationship make no mistake you are being cukcholded by the male models/hunks behind your back.
    Except that is simply not true, men who make up for their average looks in other ways do fine. Ironically the other ways you have tried to compensate for your looks are just as shallow so chances are it is actually your personality that is letting you down. Which explains why you are so adamant personality isn't a factor. Once again if you are denying average blokes get girls you are simply lying to yourself.

    And again, if you are so cynical to think that the only good part of a relationship is the sex, and that women are guaranteed to cheat on you, does it really surprise you that no woman wants someone with that attitude? Enjoy your lonely and bitter existence, because you have brought it on yourself.
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    (Original post by lucaf)
    And again, if you are so cynical to think that the only good part of a relationship is the sex, and that women are guaranteed to cheat on you, does it really surprise you that no woman wants someone with that attitude? Enjoy your lonely and bitter existence, because you have brought it on yourself.
    Well even you accepted that most average looking girls can to go a nightclub and get a ONS with a legit male model looking guy so if she gets bored of the relationship but still wants the emotional security that you provide what's stopping her from going out and cheating on someone much better looking than you?

    Most men would also do the same but most of them haven't got a chance in hell of pulling a model looking female in a club so they just ignore their partner's infidelity :lol:
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    Well even you accepted that most average looking girls can to go a nightclub and get a ONS with a legit male model looking guy so if she gets bored of the relationship but still wants the emotional security that you provide what's stopping her from going out and cheating on someone much better looking than you?

    Most men would also do the same but most of them haven't got a chance in hell of pulling a model looking female in a club so they just ignore their partner's infidelity :lol:
    I never accepted that, I said that average looking girls find it easier to pull because people will approach them, while girls rarely approach guys full stop. An average girl is certainly not regularly getting male model types.

    And I would say "feelings, common decency and respect for somebody you care for", but clearly you are either too bitter and cynical or just plain too autistic to actually consider human relationships in any sort of depth. And once again, you are surprised nobody will have you? Women love the kind of guy who openly admits they would cheat if they have the chance :rolleyes:

    I really do love the amount of knowledge you seem to think you have about relationships considering you have never had one.
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    I have also noticed one thing.

    The male hunks, the guys who genuinely **** legit 9/10 feminine girls week in and week out, the ones who look like this beast:

    http://i.imgur.com/V8tYgVM.jpg

    are usually average/below average height. I legit think there's a correlation between a high testesterone face and height. In my opnion to look like a male hunk you need the right combination of HGH and testosterone produced in yuor body during puberty and these guys find the perfect balance and don't end up being too tall and hence their faces aren't long [the face shape of death].
    I have this image in my head of some morbidly obese topless 40 year old man, sitting in his bedroom with his lights off, patrolling TSR and picking the crumbs of last week's KFC out of his belly button.

    Am I on the right lines?
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    (Original post by what is this)
    Well even you accepted that most average looking girls can to go a nightclub and get a ONS with a legit male model looking guy so if she gets bored of the relationship but still wants the emotional security that you provide what's stopping her from going out and cheating on someone much better looking than you?

    Most men would also do the same but most of them haven't got a chance in hell of pulling a model looking female in a club so they just ignore their partner's infidelity :lol:
    Well then, that isn't a relationship is it. That's a glorified FWB.

    Plus I think you might be doing something wrong - many people (including me) find "ethnic" people attractive, and I don't get approached often, maybe once a year? I feel as though you're glossing the truly average girls over and only looking at the confident, extroverted girls.
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    Some guys really need to stay out of the clubs. Attracting women in the club isn't the be all and end all. Your typical clubs (excluding a minority mainly in big cities that put emphasis on specialist music) are TERRIBLE places. Not everything is as it looks in the club.

    Frequent decent bars that emphasise good quality drink, a decent environment and aren't magnets for trash (sadly you get what you pay for too) instead. Avoid weekends too.


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    ... so according to this forum , for a guy to just get an average girl [5/10] he needs the following:

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    Inb4 the mythical ''I know a fat, bald and short guy who gets all the models bro'' response
    Well done for challenging the Hivemind OP, brilliant stuff. Don't listen to any of the posters who say that you're wrong - discounting some of your hyperbole, you've pretty much hit the nail on the head. Of course, the women's opinions here are worthless, since they'll say anything to keep you, a hard-working man, exerting yourself and toiling day in, day out, renting yourself out as a disposable utility to a woman. It's all about keeping up that constant supply of energy and effort for the female's benefit, you see. They hate the men who decide their purpose in life will not be subordination to females, who won't accept their lies and schemes at face value, and who doesn't keep quiet about their truly vapid, solipsistic and selfish nature.

    As for the men who deny everything you say, well, they're all either very good looking and thus see no problems with the nature of females, or they simply refuse to look reality in the face. Both will end up with women being their undoing - the majority have already experienced such, but still have faith in their cult of Female Worship. You've done a good job detaching yourself from the Machine OP, but unfortunately, too many men will forever be dependent on it. They can't let their fantasies of a perfect soulmate, of female love, and female-given fulfilment, die. Their innate drive and addiction to being objects for women's use and abuse will never be conquered. Indeed, some will be lucky - I believe there are a select few women who are both capable of love and worth having as partners. But the chances of anyone, especially the bottom 80% of males, getting them are so negligible as to make the pursuit of such women pointless. Withdrawal is the answer. Withdrawal from the Machine is freedom from the tyranny of the gynocentric Society. Don't let self-absorbed people, most of which possess little more than having two bits of fat on their chest and a hole between their legs, be the main beneficiaries of your toil and success. Develop yourself, be kind to those you're close to, and construct your own meaning from life. Good luck

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    Plus I think you might be doing something wrong - many people (including me) find "ethnic" people attractive
    Ethnic guys who look like this won't have a problem:

    http://i.imgur.com/V8tYgVM.jpg and that's someone who you probably envision when you say you find ethnics attractive, I'm talking about the average ethnic, whose value is lower than garbage in all women's eyes.

    I don't even want white woman but even ethnic women are being picked off by average white girls since ethnic women are now just after white guys. Feels bad man.

    I feel as though you're glossing the truly average girls over and only looking at the confident, extroverted girls.
    Literally my only requirement is for the girl to not be fat and be hygienic [so no bad breath or BO] because I myself am ripped, have a good body, six pack etc but who am I kidding any girl who is not fat has male models chasing her no matter how bad her face is.

    And I don't really chase extroverted girls, they're a turn off seeing as I'm introverted myself and I don't like extroverts because they spout off random crap just for the sake of it [which in my experience is what exrtroverted people do].

    Props though for not writing a typical female response to my post and actually writing some insightful posts.
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    Well done for challenging the Hivemind OP, brilliant stuff. Don't listen to any of the posters who say that you're wrong - discounting some of your hyperbole, you've pretty much hit the nail on the head. Of course, the women's opinions here are worthless, since they'll say anything to keep you, a hard-working man, exerting yourself and toiling day in, day out, renting yourself out as a disposable utility to a woman. It's all about keeping up that constant supply of energy and effort for the female's benefit, you see. They hate the men who decide their purpose in life will not be subordination to females, who won't accept their lies and schemes at face value, and who doesn't keep quiet about their truly vapid, solipsistic and selfish nature.

    As for the men who deny everything you say, well, they're all either very good looking and thus see no problems with the nature of females, or they simply refuse to look reality in the face. Both will end up with women being their undoing - the majority have already experienced such, but still have faith in their cult of Female Worship. You've done a good job detaching yourself from the Machine OP, but unfortunately, too many men will forever be dependent on it. They can't let their fantasies of a perfect soulmate, of female love, and female-given fulfilment, die. Their innate drive and addiction to being objects for women's use and abuse will never be conquered. Indeed, some will be lucky - I believe there are a select few women who are both capable of love and worth having as partners. But the chances of anyone, especially the bottom 80% of males, getting them are so negligible as to make the pursuit of such women pointless. Withdrawal is the answer. Withdrawal from the Machine is freedom from the tyranny of the gynocentric Society. Don't let self-absorbed people, most of which possess little more than having two bits of fat on their chest and a hole between their legs, be the main beneficiaries of your toil and success. Develop yourself, be kind to those you're close to, and construct your own meaning from life. Good luck

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    Wow, amazing post, props. Best post in this thread, even better than mine.

    Would rep this post every minute if I could. Amazing, every boy should be told to read this post in year 7 as soon as they enter high school.
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    Ethnic guys who look like this won't have a problem:

    http://i.imgur.com/V8tYgVM.jpg and that's someone who you probably envision when you say you find ethnics attractive, I'm talking about the average ethnic, whose value is lower than garbage in all women's eyes.

    I don't even want white woman but even ethnic women are being picked off by average white girls since ethnic women are now just after white guys. Feels bad man.


    Literally my only requirement is for the girl to not be fat and be hygienic [so no bad breath or BO] because I myself am ripped, have a good body, six pack etc but who am I kidding any girl who is not fat has male models chasing her no matter how bad her face is.

    And I don't really chase extroverted girls, they're a turn off seeing as I'm introverted myself and I don't like extroverts because they spout off random crap just for the sake of it [which in my experience is what exrtroverted people do].

    Props though for not writing a typical female response to my post and actually writing some insightful posts.
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1rNayMJ72S...ett_hires9.jpg
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ent/dome07.jpg
    http://www.leftright.org.au/wp-conte...an-Raymond.jpg

    These are the type of faces I imagine for a normal (albeit, quite attractive) ethnic man. Is that having high standards? I'm not sure.

    What kind of person would you say looked like a supermodel? They might be strikingly good looking to you, but to the girls getting laid frequently, they may just be average/decent in their eyes. Also remember that every person's ideal of beauty is different; I'd consider the guys below to be of supermodel standard, but others might not see the appeal at all:

    http://kpopselca.com/selca/25970_hyun-jae.jpg
    http://offuhuge.com/wp-content/uploa...1/bOxWWqY7.jpg

    Never thought about it in depth before. As for body, well... just toned, minimal body fat, and around 5"10 or higher is good for me. Doesn't neccesarily have to be ripped, but that's always a bonus.

    I've gotta admit though, there does seem to be some strange sort of glorification of white men around, as if they're trophies. Either that, or a girl will outright reject them for a man from their own culture. There's no middle ground :lol: That being said, I don't remember the last time I was even regarded as being attractive by a white guy... Guess I don't qualify for the 8/10+ crew

    I'm not going to flat out deny that it's easier for girls to get laid than men because, well... it just is for some reason. But once you move out of the clubs and into looking into relationships, the playing field is much more levelled out. Cause the criteria for a ons/short term fling and a relationship are completely different, almost polar opposites.

    It's a bit hard to hypothesise when I don't know what you look like, but do remember that clothing style, hair style, the way you walk, etc all determine how attractive someone thinks you are. It's not all in the face! I'd take a stab and say that being over 6 foot and having a six pack already puts you a couple of "above average" categories, so I find it strange that you're struggling with women, even if your face really was a 3/10.

    Even at a club I'm reluctant to hook up with men in general, and when it comes to relationships I'm picky as hell, so I can't say for certain that I'd date you if I met you, even though I'm average too. May I ask though, supposing you don't find a decent woman in the near future, would you be happy with spending the rest of your life without a partner?
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    So, as I see it, a lot of it comes down to a combination of looks, money and social status. Having a high rating in any of these is seen as desirable for obvious reasons.

    Of course, for me, money is less relevant at my age, my looks are uncertain (I've been told I'm good-looking, but also bad-looking), and I have a low social status, so it's going to be harder for me. I've just got to deal with it, and not blame girls and everyone else.
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    westernised men are clearly becoming sissy losers. this is why girls dont like you op.

    just by devoting time studying how relationships work is pathetic enough.
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    Young girls on the internet are picky, there's a surprise.
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    (Original post by gazebi)
    honestly because I think it's a waste of time, and i really don't give a damn. I'm not in the mood for some debate today
    I really don't know why I go on this forum sometimes hahaha
    So why bother posting in the first place
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    (Original post by lucaf)
    I never accepted that, I said that average looking girls find it easier to pull because people will approach them, while girls rarely approach guys full stop. An average girl is certainly not regularly getting male model types.
    It's not only because of approaching it's also because most girls have hugely inflated standards. And of course I'm exagerating when I say male models are approaching average girls all the time but a 5 in a club or a bar will be approached many times by a 6 or a 7 and sometimes even the ocassional male model looking type.

    that's the good thing with the masculine hunks though, they're not little sissies and never lower their standards because their testosterone is through the roof and they only keep to the female 8+.

    (Original post by Another)
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1rNayMJ72S...ett_hires9.jpg
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ent/dome07.jpg
    http://www.leftright.org.au/wp-conte...an-Raymond.jpg

    These are the type of faces I imagine for a normal (albeit, quite attractive) ethnic man. Is that having high standards? I'm not sure.
    Well yeah they're quite good looking but nothing extraordinary. I think the only ethnic group of men who can have large success are black guys; they basically need to be big and ripped and just run BBC game :lol:

    Also remember that every person's ideal of beauty is different
    But there have been studies to suggest that while men, as a whole, have a wide range of ideal beauty which is subjective, women have a very narrow range across the whole spectrum so they're basically most of the time attracted to only a few certain types of men which makes male beauty pretty objective in the eyes of women.


    I've gotta admit though, there does seem to be some strange sort of glorification of white men around, as if they're trophies. Either that, or a girl will outright reject them for a man from their own culture. There's no middle ground :lol:
    Yup. This study released recently showed that "For equal success with a white woman, an African-American needs to earn an additional $154,000; a Hispanic man needs $77,000; an Asian needs $247,000."

    This was very telling part of the study though:

    Females exhibit stronger racial preferences than males.





    http://www.columbia.edu/~ss957/artic...n%20Dating.pdf

    But the thing is I don't even care about white women I don't even specifically want them since they hate my race so much, I wouldn't mind dating any race. A lot of the time though I see ethnic guys worshipping white women and it's absolutely pathetic.
    That being said, I don't remember the last time I was even regarded as being attractive by a white guy... Guess I don't qualify for the 8/10+ crew


    Quite possibly because you're ethnic and average. But I still guarantee you white guys at your level and below will still show you attention. Like I said white guys have found a new niche and it's working for them; ethnic women. This is one of the legit ways they can actually date above their league since it brings a lot of status to an ethnic woman to date a white man.

    I'm not going to flat out deny that it's easier for girls to get laid than men because, well... it just is for some reason. But once you move out of the clubs and into looking into relationships, the playing field is much more levelled out. Cause the criteria for a ons/short term fling and a relationship are completely different, almost polar opposites.
    At least you admit it's easier for women, much easier. Some women flat out deny that and claim it's just as easy for the average guy to get a girl then the average woman :lol:


    Even at a club I'm reluctant to hook up with men in general, and when it comes to relationships I'm picky as hell
    You see, once you say that I instantly think you're holding out for the perfect looking white guy, who's 6'0''+ tall, makes good money etc.
    May I ask though, supposing you don't find a decent woman in the near future, would you be happy with spending the rest of your life without a partner?
    I've already accepted my place as genetic thrash. I don't harbour any bitterness towards women or the guys getting women [although I know it does come across like that in my posts but most of the time I'm just venting for the sake of it]. In fact the past year [my last year of uni] I had already given up finding a woman and didn't spend much time socialising with anyone. I now just like my own free time spent in the gym, reading books [huge fan of literature], researching history [I have a huge fascination with antiquity history and all the great men it fostered] amongst a few other hobbies I have time for. So as you can see I'm pretty cultured and have a wide array of knowledge in science [STEM graduate from a top 5 uni].

    The only time I remember actually receiving a direct compliment from women was last halloween when I went to a flat party at uni in a spartan costume and a girl complimented my abs, too bad she had a BF lol so I couldn't do much about it.

    But yeah nowadays I never approach women because I don't want to further boost their egos by rejecting me, I will only ever approach a woman if she ever gives me strong indicators she is interested . So far ever since I stopped approaching women [about 1.5 years ago] I've never received any interest :lol:. I guess it kind of makes sense, for a man having a body is not enough whereas my looks equivalent [a butter-face basically] can get most men excited just by having a fit body, some tits and an ass.

    And like I've made it clear in this thread I'm not gonna be a fall back option for women once they've had their fun with the male models in their 20's and then look to me to be a provider while they've ignored me their whole life. I can spend my whole life perfectly fine without women as I have for my whole life, will probably hire escorts here and there though :lol:.

    So yeah it doesn't bother me much now if I don't ever find anyone, I've got over it
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    westernised men are clearly becoming sissy losers. this is why girls dont like you op.

    just by devoting time studying how relationships work is pathetic enough.
    Yeah because the women of today are oh so feminine :rolleyes:
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    It's not only because of approaching it's also because most girls have hugely inflated standards. And of course I'm exagerating when I say male models are approaching average girls all the time but a 5 in a club or a bar will be approached many times by a 6 or a 7 and sometimes even the ocassional male model looking type.

    that's the good thing with the masculine hunks though, they're not little sissies and never lower their standards because their testosterone is through the roof and they only keep to the female 8+.
    In my experience, guys are at least as picky as girls. Good looking guys tend to not hit on women below them in terms of looks.

    Again, you are completely ignoring the mathematics of it. The vast majority of guys your age have had relationships and/or ONS. If the average girl is unwilling to go for the average guy, that simply wouldn't happen. The average guy does fine, if you can't then be better.

    I mean seriously, out of my group of eight guys from school five of us currently have girlfriends and only one of us has yet to have sex (that I know of), and we are a fairly average group. Your view simply doesn't match up with reality.
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    (Original post by what is this)
    Yeah because the women of today are oh so feminine :rolleyes:
    wow you are a stereotype...
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    (Original post by what is this)

    Even look at TSR an average girl posts a pic in her profile and there's 30 guys wiritng on her wall ''you're so beautiful [lol at white knighting average girls] yet there are crickets chirping on the average guy's photo.
    this. :lol:
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    Half these expectations are so wrong I can't even be bothered to explain why. SMH.
 
 
 
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