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    (Original post by Aph)
    Well I'd also ideally like the population to reduce down to 4 billion.
    again that's a 'them and us' issue where people belive they are better then others just because they were born in London not Paris.
    You're delusional half the population isn't just suddenly going to wiped out, unless there's a massive war, which you're against. You need to think you ideas through practically. They just don't work, maybe nice in your head.


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    (Original post by 10001)
    You're delusional half the population isn't just suddenly going to wiped out, unless there's a massive war, which you're against. You need to think you ideas through practically. They just don't work, maybe nice in your head.


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    I know, I said ideally and population management (a global one child policy) is what I'd like to see.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    I know, I said ideally and population management (a global one child policy) is what I'd like to see.
    Why do you want the global population reduced?

    Without being racist its the African population that needs reducing. Why on earth would it be a good thing to see population decline in the west where the bulk of innovation occurs.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Why do you want the global population reduced?

    Without being racist its the African population that needs reducing. Why on earth would it be a good thing to see population decline in the west where the bulk of innovation occurs.
    We have too many people for resources and land. Instead of building more we should just reduce growth.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Why do you want the global population reduced?

    Without being racist its the African population that needs reducing. Why on earth would it be a good thing to see population decline in the west where the bulk of innovation occurs.
    Don't you mean south Asia where nearly 3 billion live? :confused:
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    Currently undecided between Labour and Greens
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    (Original post by Aph)
    We have too many people for resources and land. Instead of building more we should just reduce growth.
    Better to remove those who are contributing nothing then. I fear your the type who'd try do it 'fairly' though to avoid being called racist ect..

    (Original post by Izzyeviel)
    Don't you mean south Asia where nearly 3 billion live? :confused:
    Birth rates in Africa mean that Africa is the long term problem.

    Looking at the map below the ideal colour is green (output of food and energy ect.. exceeds population growth while avoiding issues like an aging population) albeit that relies on good economic management. Orange, red and purple are extremely bad, especially if you are poor.



    Asia has a lot of people now but by 2100 it will have shed about 500 million people collectively (400 in China as things stand).
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Better to remove those who are contributing nothing then. I fear your the type who'd try do it 'fairly' though to avoid being called racist ect..



    Birth rates in Africa mean that Africa is the long term problem.

    Looking at the map below the ideal colour is green (output of food and energy ect.. exceeds population growth while avoiding issues like an aging population) albeit that relies on good economic management. Orange, red and purple are extremely bad, especially if you are poor.



    Asia has a lot of people now but by 2100 it will have shed about 500 million people collectively (400 in China as things stand).
    I wouldn't say 'get rid of those not contributing' but I'd focus a lot on Africa sure to the high birth rate. Yes.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Why do you want the global population reduced?

    Without being racist its the African population that needs reducing. Why on earth would it be a good thing to see population decline in the west where the bulk of innovation occurs.
    Good God! Africa's population density is a FRACTION that of Asia or Europe!

    The cult of population decline is sick. Yes, I think it is a sort of racism, even if it often comes from the Green Left, to support the mass extermination of large portions of certain Third World populations "for the Earth". How about instead we release Africa from the chains of debt slavery and allow it to develop itself?
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    (Original post by Aph)
    We have too many people for resources and land. Instead of building more we should just reduce growth.
    You realise that makes no sense? If you have too many people for the resources and land, which we don't actually, but say we do, then you need to INCREASE growth and technology to accommodate the "excess population".

    If DECREASING construction and economic growth is meant to reduce the population, why don't you focus instead on reducing the population to begin with? I mean, I wouldn't agree with that either, but intentionally tanking the economy in order to get rid of extra people is genocidal in a far more painful way than pushing birth control on people. What that really means is starvin' 'em while they're young.

    In reality, resources are poorly distributed. Most people know that and it is an old Left/Socialist issue to make a big deal out of it. The Green ideology of population reduction is Malthusian and comes straight out of the ruling class.
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    (Original post by I. Dzhugashvili)
    You realise that makes no sense? If you have too many people for the resources and land, which we don't actually, but say we do, then you need to INCREASE growth and technology to accommodate the "excess population".

    If DECREASING construction and economic growth is meant to reduce the population, why don't you focus instead on reducing the population to begin with? I mean, I wouldn't agree with that either, but intentionally tanking the economy in order to get rid of extra people is genocidal in a far more painful way than pushing birth control on people. What that really means is starvin' 'em while they're young.

    In reality, resources are poorly distributed. Most people know that and it is an old Left/Socialist issue to make a big deal out of it. The Green ideology of population reduction is Malthusian and comes straight out of the ruling class.
    You do realise by growth I meant population growth.
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    GREEN GREEN GREEN GREEN GREEN GREEN GREEN GREEN GREEN

    They don't want to concrete over the countryside and actually cares about people who aren't in the 1%
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    (Original post by Aph)
    You do realise by growth I meant population growth.
    No, because of your formulation "instead of building we should focus on reducing growth" or something like that... Building implies economic expansion.
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    GREEN GREEN GREEN GREEN GREEN GREEN GREEN GREEN GREEN

    They don't want to concrete over the countryside and actually cares about people who aren't in the 1%
    They had better policies some years ago when they were more stridently anti-NATO, anti-EU, pacifist, and ecosocialist.

    I'm afraid if they're edging towards the German model of a Green Party, then they speak for the 1%, with appeal to self-centred urban trendies and not the majority.
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    (Original post by I. Dzhugashvili)
    No, because of your formulation "instead of building we should focus on reducing growth" or something like that... Building implies economic expansion.
    I has just said we had too large a population, it was kinda obvious that I meant building houses.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    I has just said we had too large a population, it was kinda obvious that I meant building houses.
    Same thing, really, if you want people not to have housing and resources, you want to reduce the population by deprivation.

    Why? If you look around the world, there is a problem of deprivation and maldistribution of resources! It is not that there is not enough to go around! The solution is not to starve off those who received the short end of the stick.

    Funny, too, that people have complained for centuries that Europe was overpopulated. Governments often feed that image to justify their high consumption taxes and family-unfriendly policies, ignoring huge crashes in European birth rates. Then ... they say they have to bring in mass numbers of immigrants to keep the economy running precisely because people are not having enough children!

    The "overpopulation" cult is a scam and its propaganda largely stems from the ruling class.
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    (Original post by Jean-Luc Picard)
    Green, only party representing people who aren't rich & who care about the future of the planet.
    You know what, I relly want to vote for the Greens, there are just two reasons stopping me, they are:

    1. They're way too liberal. They seem to have rose tinted glases on. There is a big difference between having idealist views and making realist solutions to problems. They come across as pushovers.

    2.Way too naive in their defence policy. Specifically:

    Peace to everyone, peace, peace.
    End military research (Are they mental?)
    Nuclear Disarmorment (Again, are they nuts?)

    I guess they don't understand that some people aren't interested in peace and will blow you up the first chance they get. Especially with the way Russia is behaving recently.

    Don't get me wrong, this ideology is not a bad one and their goals are all good but leaders also need to be strong, make difficult descisions that go against the grain once in a while and also realise the world isn't made of roses.

    The greens just don't seem to have this yet, they need to be roughed up a bit.
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    89 Green voters. Crazy. Please, do some research into them, they're complete lunatics.

    Here's Natalie Bennett getting absolutely destroyed by Andrew Neil.

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    (Original post by subject1)
    GREEN GREEN GREEN GREEN GREEN GREEN GREEN GREEN GREEN

    They don't want to concrete over the countryside and actually cares about people who aren't in the 1%
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dFn...0s&app=desktop

    I'd highly recommend you watch this before considering green, these policies would run our economy into the ground.
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    (Original post by I. Dzhugashvili)
    Same thing, really, if you want people not to have housing and resources, you want to reduce the population by deprivation.

    Why? If you look around the world, there is a problem of deprivation and maldistribution of resources! It is not that there is not enough to go around! The solution is not to starve off those who received the short end of the stick.

    Funny, too, that people have complained for centuries that Europe was overpopulated. Governments often feed that image to justify their high consumption taxes and family-unfriendly policies, ignoring huge crashes in European birth rates. Then ... they say they have to bring in mass numbers of immigrants to keep the economy running precisely because people are not having enough children!

    The "overpopulation" cult is a scam and its propaganda largely stems from the ruling class.
    Who said anything about deprivation? we need everyone to voluntarily stopped having more children.
    You seem to be taking an extremist and alarmist standpoint here.
    and now you seem to be blaming imagrents for all your problems?.
    Your Naivety is pretty bad, you think that all these scientists are lying to you when politicians who are saying it's not an issue are telling the truth.
 
 
 
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