Plane crash: Germanwings A320 crashes in French Alps Watch

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(Original post by Drewski)
What are you, some ghoulish tabloid journalist in disguise?

Name a mode of transport that never suffers from problems...

Until then, wind yer neck in, we have no idea what the cause was or the fate of the ~150 on board.
Google car. 20mph controlled lean mean safety machine
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If the pilot name would have been starting from Muhammad , then it was a terrorist attack but now a christian name so he was a pysco!!!!!.

What double standards media and west have which is pathetic
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Given your scepticism for experts, how do you determine which set of experts is correct, if either? Perhaps the South Korean ones are creating stress-related problems among their pilots with such rigorous tests.
As I have said several time being open not secretive is the key to knowing which experts are correct.

Public scrutiny is the key to safely not secretive shadowy all powerful bodies
answerable to nobody but themselves.
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They only do a check when you apply for a job, zilch after that, South Korean Airline for example does regular detailed checks.

So we are at the problem I have been alluding to, a secret enquiry conducted by the people who are at fault, ie the European Aviation Safety Authority.
Incorrect.

There are yearly medical exams that a pilot must pass in order to retain their license.

That is independent from the EASA requirements, which is why it's phrased the way it is.
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I said the airline not the crash investigator, don't use straw-men arguments.
Nonsense! Don't lie! You said, in post 254:

And of course the main cause of the crash was how the airline, crash investigator and all the other pumped up secretive officail kept his mental illness secret.
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As I have said several time being open not secretive is the key to knowing which experts are correct.

Public scrutiny is the key to safely not secretive shadowy all powerful bodies
answerable to nobody but themselves.
How do you know they're open about it? They could just be saying it to cover their backs.

You're making it up as you go along. You're wrong.
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So we are in the unsatisfactory position were those who may be at fault hold all the information in secrecy and can release whatever they like and it can't be checked.
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As I have said several time being open not secretive is the key to knowing which experts are correct.

Public scrutiny is the key to safely not secretive shadowy all powerful bodies
answerable to nobody but themselves.
Why do you put so much weight on public opinion when, like yourself, they don't know what the **** they're talking about in matters like this?

Your only area of expertise pertaining to this case, if the last couple of pages are anything to go by, are the effects of being off much needed medication.
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Given your scepticism for experts, how do you determine which set of experts is correct, if either? Perhaps the South Korean ones are creating stress-related problems among their pilots with such rigorous tests.
Perhaps they are, but at least we are aware of the issue now and it can be looked into by numerous independent and varies sources most of whole will not be protecting their own job as first priority.
They can put their findings into the the public domain and they can be further scrutinised.
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Perhaps they are, but at least we are aware of the issue now and it can be looked into by numerous independent and varies sources most of whole will not be protecting their own job as first priority.
They can put their findings into the the public domain and they can be further scrutinised.
This report will be published.

Most are, on sites like this: http://www.aaib.gov.uk/publications/formal_reports.cfm
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This report will be published.

Most are, on sites like this: http://www.aaib.gov.uk/publications/formal_reports.cfm

A report done in secret by those who may well be at least in part responsible is worthless and dangerous.
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So some reports today that Lubitz had sought medical attention for a vision problem. The reports suggest that this problem could have jeopardised his flying career.

Another piece - I think on the BBC - explained that Lubitz had aspirations to join Lufthansa's long haul fleet.

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The pilots on the airfrance flight were just as bad, but they didn't get half of the scrutiny. Their series of basic errors should account for murder. They had that much time to recover from a stall.
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The pilots on the airfrance flight were just as bad, but they didn't get half of the scrutiny. Their series of basic errors should account for murder. They had that much time to recover from a stall.
Which airfance flight are you referring to?
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So some reports today that Lubitz had sought medical attention for a vision problem. The reports suggest that this problem could have jeopardised his flying career.

Another piece - I think on the BBC - explained that Lubitz had aspirations to join Lufthansa's long haul fleet.

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Seems like they have hung onto this information for a long time before releasing it.

Is it acceptable that information realted to aircrast safety is withheld from the public?

It is just not acceptable to me the slow pace and delay when lives are at risk same goes for the secrecy.
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Just wondering how it would be possible to implement this "two people in the cockpit at all times" rule?
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Just wondering how it would be possible to implement this "two people in the cockpit at all times" rule?
When pilot / co-pilot needs the toilet, a member of the cabin crew steps in.
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When pilot / co-pilot needs the toilet, a member of the cabin crew steps in.
OK so that probably means one of the cabin crew has been trained as a pilot or co-pilot?
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OK so that probably means one of the cabin crew has been trained as a pilot or co-pilot?
No, not necessarily. Cabin crew receive some basic cockpit training as to what some controls do, where the safety equipment's are.. and so on. It could also be a flight engineer or a standby pilot stepping in. Doesn't have to be cabin crew, it varies with the company.
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OK so that probably means one of the cabin crew has been trained as a pilot or co-pilot?
No, wouldn't need to mean that at all, would just mean that no one person can lock themselves in to the cockpit, that there would always be someone else there.
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