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    (Original post by mariachi)
    Islam, as a political and social ideology, fully deserves all the ridicule it gets, and we should all join in ridiculing such a reactionary, medieval ideology - just like communism is now widely ridiculed for its absurd claims and abysmal performance

    Muslims, on the other hand, are just normal citizens - not unlike communists
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    (Original post by HucktheForde)
    You are saying things that are unrelated and has no significant meaning to a terrorist attacks which equals to **** all.

    As dumb as the terrorist who made chalie hebdo rich.

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    Of course it has meaning, if we were to hypothesize that it was one of the reasons why they decided to offend Muslims.
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    (Original post by Errm336)
    Of course it has meaning, if we were to hypothesize that it was one of the reasons why they decided to offend Muslims.
    Why they choose to do that means **** all because its legal.

    Reckon you haven't figure out the consequences of living in europe yet.

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    (Original post by Errm336)
    Of course it has meaning, if we were to hypothesize that it was one of the reasons why they decided to offend Muslims.
    Hmm. I rather think they decided to criticise or mock Islam (which they probably believed might offend some Moslems). The offence is taken, not given. The reaction is entirely within the control of those reacting, and bound by law and morality. Is it morally OK among Moslems to commit revenge killings against the law of the land?
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    This is what it all comes down to isn't it? Criticise my religious beliefs in a way I don't like and I will kill you. You think this is reasonable.
    I don't think there was any valid criticism. It was clearly meant to insult and offend billions of people.

    If they wanted to provide constructive criticism, then they should have had a debate. An equal platform where ideas are disseminated and discussed and people are free to make up their own minds.

    The good news is that it isn't, in Europe and civilised democratic countries around the world.
    You mean the same countries are are attempting to restrict freedoms because people are using them in ways which they didn't ever envisage?

    So it's "You can have your freedoms, as long as it doesn't run contrary to anything we want you to say".

    The bad news is that the world is heading for a major clash between you and your fellow travellers on one side and democratic western society on the other. Fortunately, the military power and wealth is on the side of the good guys.
    You seem to be under many misconceptions so allow me to point you in the right direction.

    You see, it's all very well setting yourself up on a pedestal and acting as a bastion for democracy and human rights but there is only so long you can keep up appearances before people open their eyes and see that it is bull****.

    The major clash won't be between Muslims and Europeans, but between "righteous" people vs "hypocrites" in European countries.


    In a democratic and increasingly individualistic society, you can't move ahead as a group until you are able to unify people under a common cause and this time around, it is Islam. Previously, it was communism, IRA and before that, Jews and a whole host of other people.

    The reason it's not working at the moment is simply because of timing.

    Democracy and human rights have been around for around 50 years and people can see that it's not working, either solving their own problems or actually contributing to their current levels of distress.


    Democracy and human rights are nice concepts, but they have been hijacked by capitalism, and the concentration of wealth in the hands of a select few, who determine and drive the direction that society should move in.


    To capitalism, Islam is an active threat due to two aspects:

    a) Islam has socialist principles.
    b) Islam has "fanatical adherents".


    The latter may not be as useful but capitalism cannot stand the former. Hence, it has deemed Islam the enemy under the guise of human rights and democracy and you have fallen for it hook, line and sinker.


    The coming war will not be along religious lines but between Individualism vs Collective.
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    (Original post by HucktheForde)
    Why they choose to do that means **** all because its legal.

    Reckon you haven't figure out the consequences of living in europe yet.
    Guess the money really came in handy for those who were executed.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Hmm. I rather think they decided to criticise or mock Islam (which they probably believed might offend some Moslems). The offence is taken, not given. The reaction is entirely within the control of those reacting, and bound by law and morality. Is it morally OK among Moslems to commit revenge killings against the law of the land?
    Perhaps you don't know this but we have this institution called the Prison Service.

    All they do is just laze about all day. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Errm336)
    I don't think there was any valid criticism. It was clearly meant to insult and offend billions of people.
    No valid criticism? It is reasonable to criticise Islam for loads of elements and Hebdo did. Islam's aggressive nature and its attitudes to women, homosexuals, apostates, atheists, slavery, evolution, human rights, punishments for beliefs, for instance, are all worthy of criticism and mockery.


    (Original post by Errm336)
    The coming war will not be along religious lines but between Individualism vs Collective.
    No. The west will collectively defend itself (partly in the name of individual freedoms) against a horrible ideology that makes individuals subservient to superstition.
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    (Original post by Errm336)
    Perhaps you don't know this but we have this institution called the Prison Service.

    All they do is just laze about all day. :rolleyes:
    Avoid the question, by all means.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    No valid criticism? It is reasonable to criticise Islam for loads of elements and Hebdo did. Islam's aggressive nature and its attitudes to women, homosexuals, apostates, atheists, slavery, evolution, human rights, punishments for beliefs, for instance, are all worthy of criticism and mockery.
    By all means, have a sit down and a debate if you genuinely want people to change their views.

    No. The west will collectively defend itself (partly in the name of individual freedoms) against a horrible ideology that makes individuals subservient to superstition.
    Oh dear! That is wishful thinking but if that's how you live your life, I'm not surprised.
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    Avoid the question, by all means.
    Okay.
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    (Original post by Errm336)
    Thank you for sharing your opinion? :confused:
    Are you the guy who reported my post where i said muslims were barbaric? Truth hurts :yes:
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    (Original post by rock_climber86)
    Are you the guy who reported my post where i said muslims were barbaric? Truth hurts :yes:
    I never report posts because unlike BaconandSauce, I don't want to stifle debate.

    Erroneous assumptions be erroneous...
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    (Original post by rock_climber86)
    Are you the guy who reported my post where i said muslims were barbaric? Truth hurts :yes:
    Let's be fair. It is Islam that is barbaric. Only a minority of Moslems in the west are barbaric (admittedly including at least one contributor to this thread).
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Let's be fair. It is Islam that is barbaric. Only a minority of Moslems in the west are barbaric (admittedly including at least one contributor to this thread).
    To be honest my deleted post was more tongue and cheek but obviously it offended someone lol. Muslims are cool generally - their religion is a bit ****ed up though! It's no other religious people can use their religion to do what muslims do in their name of their religion. Isn't there anything in their holy book which says killing people is bad?

    Can a muslim please explain to me how muslim terrorists can even claim to be beheading people in the name of religion? Is your religion text that vague?
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    (Original post by Errm336)
    I never report posts because unlike BaconandSauce, I don't want to stifle debate.

    Erroneous assumptions be erroneous...
    I don't want to stifle debate but I see no reward in debating with someone who's can't even follow the simple rules TSR have but instead has to multi account a student forum because of multiple bans (so much so you've gone to the effort of hiding your IP from them now)

    But as we know the inability to follow simple rules is part of the issue being discussed here so hardly surprising who is on the wrong side of the debate
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    (Original post by rock_climber86)

    Can a muslim please explain to me how muslim terrorists can even claim to be beheading people in the name of religion? Is your religion text that vague?
    sadly yes it is. It uses the term 'innocent' when talking about murdering people but is very vague on who is 'innocent'
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    I don't want to stifle debate but I see no reward in debating with someone who's can't even follow the simple rules TSR have but instead has to multi account a student forum because of multiple bans (so much so you've gone to the effort of hiding your IP from them now)
    Reporting posts, in which the content does not contravene the guidelines, is the very definition of "stifling debate".

    If you feel you are incapable of addressing the arguments raised, then let others step forward and do a better job than you.

    I'd suggest not being petulant and reporting posts simply because you feel you are lacking in actual knowledge of the topic of the thread.

    But as we know the inability to follow simple rules is part of the issue being discussed here so hardly surprising who is on the wrong side of the debate
    Someone who feels they are incompetent enough to discuss or engage in a debate is passing judgement on the validity of certain positions.

    That was unexpected.
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    (Original post by Errm336)
    Reporting posts, in which the content does not contravene the guidelines,
    I do not report you for the post content but the post itself. You have been banned from this site Errm and as such you are nothing more than a sad troll multi accounting on a student forum.

    Why do you think you are so special the rules of TSR do not apply to you?
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    I do not report you for the post content but the post itself. You have been banned from this site Errm and as such you are nothing more than a sad troll multi accounting on a student forum.

    Why do you think you are so special the rules of TSR do not apply to you?
    You are just spewing bitterness and jealousy now...
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    (Original post by Errm336)
    You are just spewing bitterness and jealousy now...
    again I'm spewing facts troll you are banned form this site and seems to enjoy trolling students on a student forum (to be fair this does tell us rather a lot about you)

    why do you think you are so special that the rules of TSR do not apply to you?
 
 
 
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