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    (Original post by pelaitsc45)
    You don't have to be clever to adapt to things well. Clearly these people are stupid compared to other countries. What did Africa amount to without white help? Or the aborigines. It seems to me that you are confusing intelligence with instinct and innate ability.
    I cannot stand the talk which commonly comes up here about how the empire was responsible for destruction of nations. The empire brought many of these countries out of poverty and warfare, the myth of the noble savage is precisely that, a myth, there is an enormous amount of evidence that many tribes practice extremely brutal warfare practices (which were limited by British ideals of liberty), now, I am no apologist for actual crimes committed by empire, you will never find me supporting the Leopold II Belgium campaign for example, but it is patently wrong to say that these countries have been held back because of us.
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    (Original post by George VI)
    I cannot stand the talk which commonly comes up here about how the empire was responsible for destruction of nations. The empire brought many of these countries out of poverty and warfare, the myth of the noble savage is precisely that, a myth, there is an enormous amount of evidence that many tribes practice extremely brutal warfare practices (which were limited by British ideals of liberty), now, I am no apologist for actual crimes committed by empire, you will never find me supporting the Leopold II Belgium campaign for example, but it is patently wrong to say that these countries have been held back because of us.
    Exactly, whilst empire's did commit some atrocities, they did build huge amounts of infrastructure like roads and machines for when they were there. Now most have gone, what have they done with it? Nothing substantial. Watch the documentary on China in Africa and just look at the work ethic. It's called 'Empire of dust' it's on youtube. Why is the Chinese ethic so efficient and productive but in Africa it's completely reversed? It has to be racial.
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    (Original post by pelaitsc45)
    Exactly, whilst empire's did commit some atrocities, they did build huge amounts of infrastructure like roads and machines for when they were there. Now most have gone, what have they done with it? Nothing substantial. Watch the documentary on China in Africa and just look at the work ethic. It's called 'Empire of dust' it's on youtube. Why is the Chinese ethic so efficient and productive but in Africa it's completely reversed? It has to be racial.
    I haven't watched it so I will be sure to take a look, I think the rise of China to be a very interesting case. I don't yet have enough information to decide if it is racial or not, I should like to think not, and I should not treat anyone differently for it, but facts are facts, and I should like to remain as impartial as possible.
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    (Original post by The_Opinion)
    I think that you will find many in neurology take it seriously, you are just defensive as you are a black supremacist,
    You’re saying black IQ is lower, in general, because blacks are “naturally” less intelligent. that sort of exceptionally radical statement needs exceptionally radical proof to back it up – proof which you simply don’t have.

    If you are trying to ground IQ as a genetic product of race OR prove that it has no biological link at all, the very first thing you need to do is offer up a genetic or biological definition of race

    Something no-one done, nor has any study but maybe you will shock me because I ALWAYS invite IQ fanatics to give such a definition, mainly because their pathetically fumbling attempts to define race point out just how ridiculous subjective such definitions are. In close to a decade of debating race with racists.

    I have yet to see any person, no matter what their scientific credentials, offer up an acceptably neutral definition of race.

    They don’t do this because, as has been shown time and again by forensic anthropology, it can’t be done. It’s like trying to claim that astrological signs determine someone’s IQ.

    Whenever you say “Black People” you are not talking about one genetic race. You are talking about several diverse races that are even more different from one another genetically than any of the lighter skinned races.

    So, basically between the bushmen of Kenya and Bantu of the Congo, you can find more genetic variation that you can find between say a Chinese man and a Frenchmen, than say a German and an Italian, than say a Dane and an Icelandic. Thus you may be more genetically similar to black in the Congo - Honest it's true.

    Yet, IQ fanatics try to treat black people as one massive genetic race, who is somehow genetically advantaged or disadvantaged

    The African genetic diversity dilemma is inescapable kryptonite to guys like you.

    (Original post by The_Opinion)
    on this issue.Blacks do have a higher crime rate by the way, that's also a fact.It is a fact that blacks have lower IQ's on average than East Asians and whites, learn to deal with it. Facts are not racist. You don't see me getting but hurt that Japanese generally have higher IQs than French people.Most geniuses are also men by the way, that's also proven.
    Let's say you are correct.

    Let's say that you are smarter than any black person. Let's say that whites are smarter. Since you want to believe this so much. I'll give it you. White man - You are the man. You are smarter than I'll ever be. You are the man dude. You are the man.

    Now what ? You are smarter than any black person. So what are you going to do with all the dumb black people ? The doing part.

    But that's the thing just keep on rolling with this as long as they never get to the doing part
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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    I have more than enough experience with the likes of you, no need for superpowers

    Besides, if we were to apply the logic that you have been applying throughout this thread, would it mean that White males in the UK generally lack the intellectual capacity to get into higher education, considering that they are now a minority group at universities?
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...niversity.html
    So, this is what playing tennis without the net feels like, 'the likes of me' should know better than to argue with special folk like yourself.

    Instead of pointing to problems in the reasoning for my position, you make hyperboles and try to change the topic, that's when you aren't telling me what I think then generalizing me on for it...ffs this is just gold.


    You wont read this until tomorrow when you log on, but you should know that when you do, I'm probably still laughing.
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    (Original post by PrincePaul678686)
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    Must you always rant on.

    I challenge you to walk along a color spectrum and tell me where orange ends and yellow begins, you wont be able to do it ergo colors don't exist... science !
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    (Original post by HanSoloLuck)
    on this issue.Blacks do have a higher crime rate by the way,
    And let's unpack this a second.

    Ever heard of BernieMadoff ? A few years ago he got caught stealing 50 000 000 000 dollars. That's 50 billion. The fact that you probably have not heard of him is telling.

    I would like you to show me a single black person who has stolen by fraud lets say at least 100 million dollars.

    It is also good to remember that one Bernie Madoffcan actually put whole towns out of business, with all its jobs and houses andpopulation, black or white.

    If crime is being discussed it must be done so init’s social context, not as straight forward numbers by rote. Anyone can lookbad if these stats aren’t put into context.

    I also notice how you do not even whisper the word white organized crime. And yet, from 1920’s up to now, white organized crimewas the biggest crime in the USA and Europe and one of the biggest in the world.

    If we think that at its peak Mafia Cosa Nostra alone had some 3000 to 4000 members. Weknow that out of that number most guys had killed at least one individual. They had to. You do not enter this organisation without participating in a murder,and in the past the requirement was actual murder..

    That alone puts the number of their murder victims in thousands. Even when some members did not personally killed anybody, others did by dozens.

    Add to this the drug trade which they controlled pretty much from 1930’s. How manypeople died during those decades from over doses and other drug relatedreasons? Thousands at least. The drug trade by white organized crime literallydestroyed dozens of black neighbourhoods all across the USA from New York toDetroit, to Chicago to LA.

    Andthat was nothing? Nothing criminal ? How many victims that had ? Hundreds of thousands.

    Add to that the massive commercial thievery, lonesharking, gambling, numbers, prostitution, porn, labour unions, corruption of politicians,judges, judicial systems in several cities and forgery, robberies,transportation, fashion industry, clothing industry, waste management etc.

    It is very funny how you promotingthe idea of black criminality somehow forget all of that
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    (Original post by HanSoloLuck)
    Must you always rant on.!
    I use to lurk on TSR for YEARS before I made an account. But then I saw to much b.s and I said enough is enough.

    White people are just as bias as anyone else. But unlike everyone else white people have the power to have it presented as neutral and objective, to have it stand as the centre point of all thought and opinion, to have it taken seriously no matter how brainless it is.

    The fact remains that given the appeal of racist logic to so many, and given the strength of institutional racism as a defining force, I can hardly afford the luxury of ignoring such positions, so as to “not give you legitimacy.” The fact is that racism already enjoys plenty of legitimacy.

    You are the person that wants to use science to justify racism well

    A scientific fact is that rain water freezes at 0°C at a pressure of 1 bar.

    There’s no human choice involved. It’s observable and reproducible anywhere by anybody in the exact same way. Now a scientific fact, peer-reviewed, confirmed and approved, can have political consequences.

    Using the simple water example, it means that public administration, set into function by politics, orders winter road service to get ready once the temperatures fall below 0°C and the roads are wet.

    But yet you throw around concepts that have no constant repeatability everywhere you try to reproduce the experiment or apply the theoretical claim.

    In natural science, only one single significant deviation is enough to render the claim at least disputable, at worst invalid.

    You are trying to make an absolutist claim by using extremely relative variables – variables, which (as should be obvious by now) they can’t even be bothered to define in relativist fashion.

    Your argument works (to the extent that it works) on the force of rhetoric alone simply because so many people naturalize race and can’t conceive that such an important thing could be constructed by anything other than transhuman divine providence (or Mother Nature, take your pick).
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    (Original post by zetamcfc)
    So everyone should take Maths exams, and we determine intelligent from not intelligent by that?
    So everyone should take IQ tests and we determine intelligence from that?
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    The guy is clearly a racist

    However, there is truth in some of what he says. Black people, a vast majority being poor, do have the tendency to act ghetto and tend to lack education, and so would have no chance in an industry like banking.
    Source?

    You're racist too since you've also managed to generalise an entire race.
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    (Original post by connormc199)
    Scrap that last comment, the interviewee is so hypocritical about how uneducated black people are, yet he/she is incompetent on using basic grammar and spelling. Additionally it is very prejudicial and racist to claim that 'black people' have the lowest IQ, especially considering the most powerful man in the world (essentially) is of black origin...
    The most powerful man in the world is as much white as he is black.
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    He is saying dumb black people are dumb. That's not racist but painfully obvious.

    If he says all black people are dumb that would be racist.

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    (Original post by pelaitsc45)
    You don't have to be clever to adapt to things well. Clearly these people are stupid compared to other countries. What did Africa amount to without white help? Or the aborigines. It seems to me that you are confusing intelligence with instinct and innate ability.
    Au Contraire

    Firstly, the people responsible for African downfall are dictatorial, greedy African leaders. The people have little to no say . It's not fair to say 'These people are stupid compared to other countries' but it's not the first time someone has said that. I'll just have to prove myself to people like you that I'm not in fact stupid just because I was born and raised in Africa. Do you think we like being ****ed in the ass by our *****y government? Do you think we all have a hand in the destruction of our continent? Do you think I like being called a savage and a criminal by virtue of the country I come from? A sub Saharan dog?
    Nope. Let me tell you, in a little village in my home town some kids built a fully functioning drone out of pretty much nothing and they didn't go to school. Look up kids like kelvin doe or watch Inside Africa on CNN.
    Africans aren't inherently stupid. We've just found ourselves in an unfortunate situation that can only be solved by people like me rising up to the occasion and doing something about it.


    Secondly, African leaders aren't even stupid either. Check their credentials. Quite a few of them are Ivy League/Oxbridge educated. It's just that they're insanely greedy and would rather build a mansion in Europe than feed starving millions.

    Until there's substantial peer reviewed proof otherwise, it has little to do with race.
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    (Original post by physicsphysics91)
    IQ tests done by race show Asian > White > Black though.
    Controlled IQ test where all races where brought up in roughly the same conditions show there's no significant difference between any race.

    The difference arises when you just compare populations as a whole
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    (Original post by HanSoloLuck)
    If you want to talk about Nicolas Cage then the entertainment section is in another part of the website, I'll see you there right after I'm finished talking with the adults.
    I see, you have no arguments so completely ignore my point and result to insulting me.

    Didn't expect anything else.
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    Another one of the problem is that racism white supremacy is that white people don't know nothing beyond what other white people have told them

    Less than 22% of the world is white.
    Less than 11% of the world is white and male.
    Less than 2.3% of the world is white, male and speaks English.

    Yet they run the BBC, ITV, SKY, CH4 and 5. Every major newspaper too. Over in the states they run CNN, the New York Times, Harvard. They write most of the Hollywood films and Wikipedia articles. English-speaking white men own and run nearly all the main bits of the Vast Talking Machine.

    This is not to say that English-speaking white men are always wrong or always agree among themselves. But when they do generally agree on something but are wrong about it, it is very hard to set it right. I think it's dangerous to be overly dependent on any one part of the world for your knowledge of the world as a whole.
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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    It has nothing to do with who I am. I just follow the evidence to a conclusion without trying to impose my personal feelings onto the matter. I don't think its a particularly nice or popular truth but a truth nonetheless.
    But it's not a truth.

    You don't follow any evidence.

    Your conclusion is wrong.

    Many people have pointed numerous flaws in your line of argumentation, and yet you still say "muh facts".

    Be ashamed of yourself, you closet racist.
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    (Original post by HanSoloLuck)
    It shows many different races comparatively. Along with gender segregation, it shows that, for example, higher income blacks do worse than lower income whites.

    SAT scores was the only data I could find that took into account both IQ, requiring estimation for translation, and income.

    You are asking for data that doesn't exist, but all the available data has shown that there is a racially correlated IQ difference. You might want to reject the position based on conclusive data that pertains to socioeconomic status, but you are playing a paradoxical game.

    Does socioeconomic status predetermine IQ, or does IQ determine socioeconomic status.

    It seems reasonable to assert that in a capitalist society which we live poor demographics that can achieve a better position do. The Irish for example were treated akin to slaves in America, as were the Chinese, both demographics have a higher than average IQ in America now.
    In a pattern shown worldwide, black demographics have not been able to. The evidence seems undeniable to my eyes.

    IQ is hereditary, not my fault the world works this way.
    Yea, because you're a racist who wants this to be true.
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    (Original post by ohgeez)
    IQ is ********. The only thing that matters in life for a man is how big your **** is and how good you can dance. Everything else is peripheral.
    I would happily trade my IQ for a bbc.

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    (Original post by HanSoloLuck)
    I never contested this, and it's an argument from authority. The right answer or position is not predicated on how many people in the thread disagree with you.
    What is an "argument from authority"? Yours?




    What point haven't I responded to
    A number of posts talking about the validity of IQ testing, the IQ score and therefore the validity of any argument that is based on using IQ to make judgements about races of people.






    Which information have I denied to accept because of my bias.
    See above.
 
 
 
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