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    Another of those annoying facts to consider.

    Before joining the EU the UK had slowest growth of G7. Since joining EU it has the highest.

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    (Original post by jneill)
    Another of those annoying facts to consider.

    Before joining the EU the UK had slowest growth of G7. Since joining EU it has the highest.

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    I'm not sure you can attribute that to the EU. It looks like UK growth only really started to shoot up in the mid 1980s when privatisation under Thatcher kicked in.

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gdp


    I'm not going to dispute that the economic side of the EU hasn't been positive but until 1993 the EU was far more about just economics rather than becoming the the organisation it is not. It's not about the past, it's about the future & where the EU is going, which is even further down the superstate route, isn't where I want to see it go.
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    (Original post by Tempest II)
    I'm not sure you can attribute that to the EU. It looks like UK growth only really started to shoot up in the mid 1980s when privatisation under Thatcher kicked in.

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gdp


    I'm not going to dispute that the economic side of the EU hasn't been positive but until 1993 the EU was far more about just economics rather than becoming the the organisation it is not. It's not about the past, it's about the future & where the EU is going, which is even further down the superstate route, isn't where I want to see it go.
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    Another of those annoying facts to consider.

    Before joining the EU the UK had slowest growth of G7. Since joining EU it has the highest.

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    You forgot to include the proof that the EU was the cause and not, for instance, the total overhaul of the UK economy under Thatcher (which made it flexible) or its very significant development of the non-EU markets into trade surplus (and nothing to do with the EU).
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    (Original post by Tempest II)
    I agree that, for example, 35% percent of the vote with a 65-70% turnout isn't exactly a majority (for all political parties) which is why I wouldn't oppose making voting mandatory as long as there was a "None of the Above/You'll all Rubbish" box.
    It's called spoiling your ballot

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    You forgot to include the proof that the EU was the cause and not, for instance, the total overhaul of the UK economy under Thatcher (which made it flexible) or its very significant development of the non-EU markets into trade surplus (and nothing to do with the EU).
    Perhaps, and being in the EU didn't hinder it.

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    Perhaps, and being in the EU didn't hinder it.
    No. I'm sorry.That link to your proof didn't work. Can you correct it and post again please?
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    No. I'm sorry.That link to your proof didn't work. Can you correct it and post again please?
    The contention is the UK has done well since 1973. Prove it hasn't. Or prove the EU has hindered it and it would have done better outside the EU.

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    (Original post by jneill)
    The contention is the UK has done well since 1973. Prove it hasn't. Or prove the EU has hindered it and it would have done better outside the EU.
    Is that how it works? One person makes an unfounded claim and everyone else has to find proof that it is wrong, with the result, If they don't manage to, that the claim is accepted as fact? Is that how things are taught in modern British universities?

    Are you sure?
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Is that how it works? One person makes an unfounded claim and everyone else has to find proof that it is wrong, with the result, If they don't manage to, that the claim is accepted as fact? Is that how things are taught in modern British universities?

    Are you sure?
    What was my unfounded claim? Read the OP.

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    What was my unfounded claim? Read the OP.

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    Ah! So we'll leave half-claims and implications hanging, challenge people who ask for proof to provide their own proof of the opposite and hope to leave people with the impression that the original "non-claim" is true, eh?

    Nice try.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Ah! So we'll leave half-claims and implications hanging, challenge people who ask for proof to provide their own proof of the opposite and hope to leave people with the impression that the original "non-claim" is true, eh?

    Nice try.
    Thank you.

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    (Original post by jneill)
    Another of those annoying facts to consider.

    Before joining the EU the UK had slowest growth of G7. Since joining EU it has the highest.

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    Post hoc ergo propter hoc

    And it's hardly surprising that the only thing remainers consider is GDP figures, because apparently that is the only metric of things being good.

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    Post hoc ergo propter hoc
    Propter post. But have you considered the following?

    Caesar adsum jam forte
    Brutus aderat
    Caesar sic in omnibus
    Brutus sic in at
 
 
 
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