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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    You are attacking a straw man - she claimed Arab countries do not bend religious rules, and I showed obvious cases where they did; if you happen to disagree with other rules or social norms, then I frankly don't care because I wasn't talking about that.

    And my uncle got called a Paki and was threatened, but you do not see telling you to go back to a council estate in a scummy area of a British city for criticing cultural views of various communities - it is the pinnacle of ignorance and bigotry to say 'go back to...' because you got a flustered with your mum being pestered by bigots; if you don't like people having other opinions, how about you leave the country? Because as British citizens and former colonial subjects who were ravaged and oppressed by the British, we have equal if not more right to be in this country than you do.

    Btw, given the topic of conversation, it's interesting that countries are 'socially advanced' based upon how little they allow their constituent members to dress (or so it would appear you claim) - perhaps you would agree that African bushmen are the models for mankind?
    If you hate British colonial rule so much then the best thing you can do is accept that everybody has an equal right to live here, if you have citizenship. It is frankly ludicrous to suggest otherwise, the superiority complex cropping back up it seems...

    However, if you have morals that go against the tolerant British society - you may find other countries more appealing.

    Freedom of religion, speech, journalism; democracy; secular government; tolerance and acceptance of homosexuality, transexuals, non binary, etc., the law & prison (hardly ideal but preferable to public whippings and beheadings), benefits, access to healthcare, education, water, food, equal status of all human beings, abortion, access to contraception and condoms, sex positivity, divorce, free marriage, help for domestic abuse, no FGM, .. These are just some of the common markers for a socially advanced state. Many of these accepting and tolerant stances are in contradiction to many religious views; the burkini is an example of religious clothing that does not promote the equal status of men and women. If you wear it for social reasons, eg self consciousness, allergy, etc., whatever. There are other options out there. Wearing it religiously promotes the idea that women should be subservient men and are less deserving of freedom. That is why I dislike it.

    Whether you agree with my personal viewpoint or not is up to you but the French have an altogether different one: they have been the victims of persecution by Islamic extremists. They are a threat to the peaceful society. And these terrorists promote a lower status of women... as we have seen in Manjib, they enforce wearing the burka. The French people are hurting. They have suffered. And more and more are seeing internal threats France, not external. Terrorism has changed. It is not a difficult stretch of the imagination to realise that there are likely racial and religious tensions in the country; the French clearly do not want the world's media to see that. It's damage control. Like the swastika used to be a symbol of peace, but when the wrong people use it, the message changes. Even if you were using a swastika as a peace symbol today it would not be received well by the general public.
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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    Because as British citizens and former colonial subjects who were ravaged and oppressed by the British, we have equal if not more right to be in this country than you do.
    You haven't been oppressed by the British. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Onde)
    The burkini ban is rather blinkered.

    If the mayor wanted to defend peaceful, secular values, he should have banned anything that actually encourages violence, e.g. the qur'an.
    The problem is that most Muslims have never read the Quran (otherwise they wouldn't wear niqab, hijab, burkini, etc.), banning it wouldn't change anything.
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    ppl should just wear what they want to wear.They shouldn't ban anything tbh
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    (Original post by MrsSheldonCooper)
    1) Islam is not a race.
    2) You are quite literally the perfect example of Muslim arrogance. If the law bans religious clothing, you stick to it. If not, run off to the Middle East. You don't see Arab countries bending the rules for Westerners that live there.
    Flying-carpet fallacy.
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    (Original post by tamil fever)
    ppl should just wear what they want to wear.They shouldn't ban anything tbh
    What if they wore a t shirt that said: "God Bless Hitler, kill the Jews" ?
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    (Original post by MeYou2Night)
    What if they wore a t shirt that said: "God Bless Hitler, kill the Jews" ?
    lol.why u askin such a hard question?The Burkini did not say anything extreme on it so why ban it?
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    (Original post by tamil fever)
    ppl should just wear what they want to wear.They shouldn't ban anything tbh
    Even these?


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    (Original post by tamil fever)
    lol.why u askin such a hard question?The Burkini did not say anything extreme on it so why ban it?
    You said people can wear what they want? So yes or no to what I asked?
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    (Original post by MeYou2Night)
    What if they wore a t shirt that said: "God Bless Hitler, kill the Jews" ?
    The display of threatening or abusive writing is likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress. If you were to wear such a t-shirt, you'd likely be charged for causing a public order offence, but I doubt a burkini or religious clothing in general is likely to have that effect. Of course, if a burkini said something like "All non-Muslims deserve to die/ISIS FTW!", then you might have a case.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    Even these?


    No not the KKK costume.Their costume indicates an extreme group however Burkinis did not symbolise anything extreme.So why ban Burkinis?
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    (Original post by MeYou2Night)
    You said people can wear what they want? So yes or no to what I asked?
    Why don't u answer my question first?Unless you don't have an answer?
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    btw am not here to have a fight with u
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    So many "go back to where you came from" bigots over here. Newsflash: you cannot live in a free society while wanting to deport anyone with opposing views (especially not to countries that have nothing to do with them). It simply doesn't go both ways.
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    (Original post by tamil fever)
    No not the KKK costume.Their costume indicates an extreme group however Burkinis did not symbolise anything extreme.So why ban Burkinis?
    Which makes your original statement void. What you presumably meant was "anyone should be allowed to wear what they want as long as it is isn't obviously offensive". So perhaps be a bit clearer in what you mean so that there aren't these kinds of confusions
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    (Original post by Josb)
    Even these?


    Those costumes were designed for the purpose are harming people and spreading fear, how can they be compared to burkinis?
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    Which makes your original statement void. What you meant was "anyone should be allowed to wear what they want as long as it is isn't obviously offensive". So say what you mean.
    "Anyone should be able to wear what they want as long as it isn't obviously offensive AND extreme......"
    Are you going to debate with me now about my opinion?
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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    Those costumes were designed for the purpose are harming people and spreading fear, how can they be compared to burkinis.
    same thing i was asking
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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    So many "go back to where you came from" bigots over here. Newsflash: you cannot live in a free society while wanting to deport anyone with opposing views (especially not to countries that have nothing to do with them). It simply doesn't go both ways.
    It's interesting to see the same people who complain about the PC culture, the lack of freedom (to offend), and the erosion of civil liberties in nanny-states, endorsing laws that defy their brand of libertarianism.

    If you're getting triggered by burkinis at a beach, you should probably stay at home lest you encounter more "extremist" Muslimahs.
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    (Original post by Dima-Blackburn)
    It's interesting to see the same people who complain about the PC culture, the lack of freedom (to offend), and the erosion of civil liberties in nanny-states, endorsing laws that defy their brand of libertarianism.
    Exactly, they are only champions for free speech when it suits them to be so. The moment anyone says someone says something that offends them, they are just as (if not, more) intolerant as the "PC brigade", "SJWs" and "regressive leftists" who they condemn.
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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    Exactly, they are only champions for free speech when it suits them to be so. The moment anyone says someone says something that offends them, they are just as (if not, more) intolerant as the "PC brigade", "SJWs" and "regressive leftists" who they condemn.
    "We're going to LIBERATE these poor, oppressed women who can't wear what they want by....telling them what not to wear" :rofl:
 
 
 
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