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    (Original post by Jgco2chem)
    Benzema would be perfect, Cavani?, Dybala, Falcao? Martinez, Bacca and Lacazette!
    I feel Walcott is only good for counter play and I feel he lacks the power which Chamberlain shows!
    Why would Benzema leave his comfy first team spot in the best club side in the world to join us? Same with Cavani, he is quickly becoming PSG's foreman with Ibra aging, and in a year or so, he will be the main man. Dybala would be overpriced for what he is worth and capable of, Falcao (lol, we already saw how that went). Martinez and Lacazette are good shouts except every team in Europe would go in for them if they knew they were available, Bacca not so much.
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    (Original post by shawn_o1)
    Essentially Everton have to go all the way in the Europa League (or Chelsea have to overcome PSG and go far in the Champions League) if the PL is to remain among the top 3 leagues in Europe, otherwise whoever's fourth at the end of this season doesn't get Champions League football next season
    Nope, that's just been confirmed if Everton win EL and they are 5th,6th,7th whatever in the league they go into the CL group stages but don't take anyone's place. So there will be 5 English teams in total in CL.
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    (Original post by Arkasia)
    Why would Benzema leave his comfy first team spot in the best club side in the world to join us? Same with Cavani, he is quickly becoming PSG's foreman with Ibra aging, and in a year or so, he will be the main man. Dybala would be overpriced for what he is worth and capable of, Falcao (lol, we already saw how that went). Martinez and Lacazette are good shouts except every team in Europe would go in for them if they knew they were available, Bacca not so much.
    If real madrid buy cavani, psg will buy dybala and arsenal could get benzema, however I feel Falcao has something to prove and Van Gaal hasn't helped him or di maria, but realistically Martinez and Lacazette would be our best hope.
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    (Original post by Jgco2chem)
    If real madrid buy cavani, psg will buy dybala and arsenal could get benzema, however I feel Falcao has something to prove and Van Gaal hasn't helped him or di maria, but realistically Martinez and Lacazette would be our best hope.
    Why would Madrid buy Cavani when they have Benzema? Why would PSG buy Dybala when they have Cavani and Ibra?

    Falcao hasn't been the same ever since his injury, and he is past the point where he can make a full recovery. Martinez and Lacazette would be our best bet, but even then it's reliant on which other teams bid for them, and many will.
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    Falcao's next destination would be somewhere like Olympiakos tbh
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    One poor match = Entire new strike force. You fickle bunch.

    What we have is enough.
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    (Original post by shawn_o1)
    Essentially Everton have to go all the way in the Europa League (or Chelsea have to overcome PSG and go far in the Champions League) if the PL is to remain among the top 3 leagues in Europe, otherwise whoever's fourth at the end of this season doesn't get Champions League football next season
    http://www.uefa.com/memberassociatio...kings/country/

    Try reading the rules please, it's over a 5 year period. So unless every single English team is out before getting to the quarter finals, it is essentially mathematically impossible. There's also the fact that the coefficient increase per win is lower in the EL than the CL. So we're talking Juve winning the competition and a final contested between Napoli and Fiorentina and for Chelsea or Everton to lose their next games for us to be under Serie A.

    It's not going to happen.
    (Original post by sevchenko)
    One poor match = Entire new strike force. You fickle bunch.

    What we have is enough.
    Could be improved upon but it'll do, more problems in other areas of the team.
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    (Original post by sevchenko)
    One poor match = Entire new strike force. You fickle bunch.

    What we have is enough.
    We need a second striker. Welbeck is never enough. Everyone else including giroud is fine though

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    Even if we had cavani, benzema etc we still conceded 3 goals...
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    (Original post by AR_95)
    We need a second striker. Welbeck is never enough.

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    I have faith in Welbeck. He'll come good, he has all the attributes to become a top striker, I'm confident Wenger will develop and improve weak aspects in his game over time.

    I wonder how many people said Giroud wasn't good enough after his first season.
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    (Original post by sevchenko)
    I have faith in Welbeck. He'll come good, he has all the attributes to become a top striker, I'm confident Wenger will develop and improve weak aspects in his game over time.

    I wonder how many people said Giroud wasn't good enough after his first season.
    Do you have time to really be developing players like Welbeck, for all the stick they got getting Falcao in, it shows that United don't have time in developing players who are not currently good enough to do the role, all the top teams do that. They're farmed off on loan or sold if they aren't good enough to get into the first team.

    If Arsenal have any ambitions of being a top club in european football, players like Welbeck should not be who they are going for in the hope that they develop.
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    (Original post by sevchenko)
    I have faith in Welbeck. He'll come good, he has all the attributes to become a top striker, I'm confident Wenger will develop and improve weak aspects in his game over time.

    I wonder how many people said Giroud wasn't good enough after his first season.
    But he has long to go and I dont think he is at the standard to be starting so many games this season. No doubt he will come good in a few years but we shouldn't be signing so many projects when we already have too many.


    Essentially I was gob smacked that fans wanted him to start over Walcott and Wenger decided to do the same.

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    Sorry if this has been posted already but this is gold

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    meh.. I am glad we brought welbeck - but he should be a squad player who has his specific uses.. and not a first team player starting most games for us.
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    Welbeck should have been our third choice striker.

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    (Original post by AR_95)
    Cba to respond to him anymore tbh
    Because you've got nothing.

    Typical flip flop u-turn Arsenal fan. Praise Arsene when we win; abuse him when we lose.
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    (Original post by Dr. Django)
    Even if we had cavani, benzema etc we still conceded 3 goals...
    I dont agree with this excuse for not having a WC striker. Put it this way if Giroud finished those 2 chances he had it would mean less pressure on the team and then Monaco would have to change their approach. It's the strikers job to ease pressure from the team by burying his chances. A worldclass striker would have done that.

    Look at last season's Liverpool atrocious defending yet look how close they came to winning the league because they had Suarez to bury all the chances and make his own chances easing the pressure of the team. Other teams had to think twice before they attacked Liverpool all out and 2 teams tried. One was everton the other was us. 5-1
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    (Original post by Numan786)
    I dont agree with this excuse for not having a WC striker. Put it this way if Giroud finished those 2 chances he had it would mean less pressure on the team and then Monaco would have to change their approach. It's the strikers job to ease pressure from the team by burying his chances. A worldclass striker would have done that.

    Look at last season's Liverpool atrocious defending yet look how close they came to winning the league because they had Suarez to bury all the chances and make his own chances easing the pressure of the team. Other teams had to think twice before they attacked Liverpool all out and 2 teams tried. One was everton the other was us. 5-1
    While we're at it Arsenal pushing high up in order to get an equaliser put you under pressure on counters, one Carrasco should have squared to Silva and the other one he scored from it. Strikers score a goal to make it 1-0 early on or make it 1-1, game on, Monaco are under pressure.
    (Original post by Stalin)
    Do you honestly believe that Lauren ****ing Blanc is a better coach/manager/director of football/businessman and has the same experience as Wenger?

    Ancelotti replaced Mourinho, but guess who Perez wanted if Carlo turned him down?
    It got widely reported that if Carlo Ancelotti didn't leave PSG they were going to get Benitez as the plan B, as he played for the club previously and has good links to Madrid. But go on.
    Who did they want if Guardiola rejected their offer?

    The French national team want him after every major tournament too.
    Highly unlikely it would have been Wenger, if Guardiola rejected their offer they most likely would have stayed with Heynckes.
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    (Original post by jam277)
    Do you have time to really be developing players like Welbeck, for all the stick they got getting Falcao in, it shows that United don't have time in developing players who are not currently good enough to do the role, all the top teams do that. They're farmed off on loan or sold if they aren't good enough to get into the first team.

    If Arsenal have any ambitions of being a top club in european football, players like Welbeck should not be who they are going for in the hope that they develop.
    That's just Wenger's managerial style. He's a coach, he enjoys coaching and developing talent. Is it viable to continue to do so? We'll see in at the end of 2016/17 season. Arsenal don't generate the revenue Utd does we literally can't afford to buy/loan expensive flops like Falcao on £150k+.

    Buying Welbeck was sound investment. There's a lot more to come from him in the future
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    (Original post by sevchenko)
    That's just Wenger's managerial style. He's a coach, he enjoys coaching and developing talent. Is it viable to continue to do so? We'll see in at the end of 2016/17 season. Arsenal don't generate the revenue Utd does we literally can't afford to buy/loan expensive flops like Falcao on £150k+.

    Buying Welbeck was sound investment. There's a lot more to come from him in the future
    There is developing talent and there's staying competitive while doing so. So either Wenger changes the style of play to be more pragmatic/hard to play against to utilise the weaker teams like other teams who focus heavily on player development more than getting ready made players(Atlético and Dortmund) or he gets some more ready made players in key positions. He could also do both(like Chelsea/Bayern have done recently) but it seems like Wenger is attempting both but just not at the standard required.

    I get you with Welbeck. He has enough in his all round game and his pace alone will create chances for him in the future.
 
 
 
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