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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    You should amend that to just those who voted for QQ.
    You really do have it in for me, don't you? I will do my best to prove you wrong.
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    (Original post by Quamquam123)
    You really do have it in for me, don't you? I will do my best to prove you wrong.
    You have a few people in the party who'll be good for counsel. Pray that Fez sticks around because he'll provide advice where it matters. That bearded man will also be invaluable to you.

    Im going to be blunt, youre inexperienced compared to the vast majority of the house, you command little respect or authority from the rest of the house, and you probably wont be the best leader. Ill be offering 1-2 on you being VoNCed before the end of the term.

    If you take the advice from those who were leaders before, successful leaders i might add, then you may last a little longer but its safe to say that i dont think the party made the best decision here.

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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    There are a few mps with some potential. Hilary Benn, Heidi Allen come to mind. Though Hilary wont be in power to be that titan, Heidi has a long career ahead of her and the popularity to go very far.

    #Heidi4PM2020

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    Both will be forgotten about in the history books, the history books will place the defining politicians of this era as Farage, likely Johnson, and possibly Cameron; Labour's time is post 2030 at the earliest. UKIP will be looked on as the modern day Anti-Corn Law League whose campaign against the laws finally forced politicians to take notice of the debate being had, in the same way Farage has shaped the political debate on the EU, and immigration. If Britain opts to remain a member of the EU the cause will be strengthened in the same way the ACLL was when Parliament first refused to repeal the corn laws; the EU collapsing one day is inevitable. If Britain chooses to leave the EU Farage will be seen as a character with a large part in that, and Cameron's successor will be viewed as the first Prime Minister in a new era for Britain. Cameron does not have an approachable personality, is not seen as the eccentric buffoon, nor has presided over anything significant to leave his mark; Britain leaving the EU on his watch could change that: he will be a fantastic BBC Pointless answer of tomorrow.
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    You have a few people in the party who'll be good for counsel. Pray that Fez sticks around because he'll provide advice where it matters. That bearded man will also be invaluable to you.

    Im going to be blunt, youre inexperienced compared to the vast majority of the house, you command little respect or authority from the rest of the house, and you probably wont be the best leader. Ill be offering 1-2 on you being VoNCed before the end of the term.

    If you take the advice from those who were leaders before, successful leaders i might add, then you may last a little longer but its safe to say that i dont think the party made the best decision here.

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    I disagree, member place a lot of weight on experience but in the MoC experience does no matter if the member knows how the MHoC works. Leading any organisation in a virtual game, or in real life is easy, it requires determination, strength, motivation, ruthlessness, and the ability to listen to others but not always act on their thoughts.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    Both will be forgotten about in the history books, the history books will place the defining politicians of this era as Farage, likely Johnson, and possibly Cameron; Labour's time is post 2030 at the earliest. UKIP will be looked on as the modern day Anti-Corn Law League whose campaign against the laws finally forced politicians to take notice of the debate being had, in the same way Farage has shaped the political debate on the EU, and immigration. If Britain opts to remain a member of the EU the cause will be strengthened in the same way the ACLL was when Parliament first refused to repeal the corn laws; the EU collapsing one day is inevitable. If Britain chooses to leave the EU Farage will be seen as a character with a large part in that, and Cameron's successor will be viewed as the first Prime Minister in a new era for Britain. Cameron does not have an approachable personality, is not seen as the eccentric buffoon, nor has presided over anything significant to leave his mark; Britain leaving the EU on his watch could change that: he will be a fantastic BBC Pointless answer of tomorrow.
    But neither Cameron nor farage will be up there on the top tier with the likes of Gladstone Thatcher and Churchill

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)


    Sadly my ipod is in recovery mode so can't have any of these cracking tunes until I next go home and sort it all out
    Such as Tune ! .....
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    Both will be forgotten about in the history books, the history books will place the defining politicians of this era as Farage, likely Johnson, and possibly Cameron; Labour's time is post 2030 at the earliest. UKIP will be looked on as the modern day Anti-Corn Law League whose campaign against the laws finally forced politicians to take notice of the debate being had, in the same way Farage has shaped the political debate on the EU, and immigration. If Britain opts to remain a member of the EU the cause will be strengthened in the same way the ACLL was when Parliament first refused to repeal the corn laws; the EU collapsing one day is inevitable. If Britain chooses to leave the EU Farage will be seen as a character with a large part in that, and Cameron's successor will be viewed as the first Prime Minister in a new era for Britain. Cameron does not have an approachable personality, is not seen as the eccentric buffoon, nor has presided over anything significant to leave his mark; Britain leaving the EU on his watch could change that: he will be a fantastic BBC Pointless answer of tomorrow.
    I completely disagree with your analysis. UKIP are pretty much done, they were overly hyped up and even its likely that youll half your vote share by the time 2020 comes along. Right wing populism is largely short term as is left wing populism, was thatcher a populist? Was Churchill? Was Blair? Is Cameron? Whilst they may have populist elements it was their pragmatism that made them successful.

    As for David Cameron being unapproachable, id say that hes much more down to earth and a much more pleasant chap than farage. I wouldnt go out drinking with Farage, would definitely share a chat with Cameron though.

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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    I completely disagree with your analysis. UKIP are pretty much done, they were overly hyped up and even its likely that youll half your vote share by the time 2020 comes along. Right wing populism is largely short term as is left wing populism, was thatcher a populist? Was Churchill? Was Blair? Is Cameron? Whilst they may have populist elements it was their pragmatism that made them successful.

    As for David Cameron being unapproachable, id say that hes much more down to earth and a much more pleasant chap than farage. I wouldnt go out drinking with Farage, would definitely share a chat with Cameron though.

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    I remember member predicting the same thing about the Scottish independence referendum with the SNP, however, as I stated, UKIP will be viewed as the modern Anti-Corn Law League with Farage being a Kier Hardy character who spearheaded the campaign to change the political landscape. Your comparison of popular politics with Churchill, Blair, and Thatcher does not work, because in 50 years time Blair will be a minor politician who few individuals remember, Thatcher will be seen as the capitalist reformer who presided over the great revolution from a poor, socialist Britain to a twenty-first century, home-owning democracy, leading the world in financial services. Churchill would be forgotten about if WWII did not happen, he made speeches on the radio to unite a country but his great orator skills would have been of no importance if WWII did not happen.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    But neither Cameron nor farage will be up there on the top tier with the likes of Gladstone Thatcher and Churchill

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    That is true, however, Gladstone was a great social reformer, Churchill is over-rated because there was a war during his premiership, and Thatcher was a great reform who threw out the known for an experimental leap into the unknown. It is very difficult for politicians to make a lasting impact on the world when there is unlikely to be a WWIII, and where huge social change is not possible.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    I disagree, member place a lot of weight on experience but in the MoC experience does no matter if the member knows how the MHoC works. Leading any organisation in a virtual game, or in real life is easy, it requires determination, strength, motivation, ruthlessness, and the ability to listen to others but not always act on their thoughts.
    In real life its different. One wouldnt be in a position of leadership with a CV as barron as QQ's. Nor has QQ shown any of those qualities yet to the house so while he may hold some authority in labour, outside of the party he holds none.

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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    Both will be forgotten about in the history books, the history books will place the defining politicians of this era as Farage, likely Johnson, and possibly Cameron; Labour's time is post 2030 at the earliest. UKIP will be looked on as the modern day Anti-Corn Law League whose campaign against the laws finally forced politicians to take notice of the debate being had, in the same way Farage has shaped the political debate on the EU, and immigration. If Britain opts to remain a member of the EU the cause will be strengthened in the same way the ACLL was when Parliament first refused to repeal the corn laws; the EU collapsing one day is inevitable. If Britain chooses to leave the EU Farage will be seen as a character with a large part in that, and Cameron's successor will be viewed as the first Prime Minister in a new era for Britain. Cameron does not have an approachable personality, is not seen as the eccentric buffoon, nor has presided over anything significant to leave his mark; Britain leaving the EU on his watch could change that: he will be a fantastic BBC Pointless answer of tomorrow.
    Farage era-defining? The man has failed to be elected to parliament no fewer than 5 times. He has, as of yet, accomplished nothing. As it stands, he will be no more than a footnote in history. The leader of his little populist cult which had the potential to dent Conservative election hopes, but didn't.
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    You have a few people in the party who'll be good for counsel. Pray that Fez sticks around because he'll provide advice where it matters. That bearded man will also be invaluable to you.

    Im going to be blunt, youre inexperienced compared to the vast majority of the house, you command little respect or authority from the rest of the house, and you probably wont be the best leader. Ill be offering 1-2 on you being VoNCed before the end of the term.

    If you take the advice from those who were leaders before, successful leaders i might add, then you may last a little longer but its safe to say that i dont think the party made the best decision here.

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    To be fair, Life_peer and I became deputy leader and leader of TSR UKIP respectively after only six months of being here, so lack of experience isn't always a bad thing.
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    (Original post by toronto353)
    To be fair, Life_peer and I became deputy leader and leader of TSR UKIP respectively after only six months of being here, so lack of experience isn't always a bad thing.
    I don't think I was here that long before becoming DL of the Tories. However, I think there is a marked difference between becoming Deputy, and becoming Leader so quickly.
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    (Original post by toronto353)
    To be fair, Life_peer and I became deputy leader and leader of TSR UKIP respectively after only six months of being here, so lack of experience isn't always a bad thing.
    Did either of you appear to have a handler though?
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    (Original post by toronto353)
    To be fair, Life_peer and I became deputy leader and leader of TSR UKIP respectively after only six months of being here, so lack of experience isn't always a bad thing.
    It didn't end that well for you though
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    (Original post by toronto353)
    To be fair, Life_peer and I became deputy leader and leader of TSR UKIP respectively after only six months of being here, so lack of experience isn't always a bad thing.
    6 months really isnt that short a time in the grand scheme of things here. After 6 months one is pretty adept in the house.

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    (Original post by The Financier)
    It didn't end that well for you though
    Shhhhhh that was the second time around after my 'power grab'
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    (Original post by hazzer1998)
    Speaking of another lovely song

    England's anthem in TSRland, and hopefully they will see the light and make it England's anthem in RL at some point too.
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    England's anthem in TSRland, and hopefully they will see the light and make it England's anthem in RL at some point too.
    Wait this is the English Anthem in TSR ?
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    Wait this is the English Anthem in TSR ?
    :yep:
 
 
 
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