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    (Original post by sr90)
    The players he's signed have been fine (apart from Falcrap which wasn't his signing anyway) there was just too much to fix in one transfer window. Go look at our squad from last season and the vast majority of them no longer play for us, you won't find another 'top' team that has had such a high player turnover. We STILL need another 5 players this summer.

    It's disgraceful that we don't have a settled XI or even a preferred formation in March though. Much like Moyes we have no idea what the plan is or how he wants us to play, and some of his team selections are shocking. We've played 18 different CB partnerships this season which is a ****ing disgrace, compare this to Chelsea who have played 2.

    Van Gaal has the support of the players though. It was obvious that Moyeseh lost the dressing room after a few months. Despite playing awfully we're at least coming back to draw/win games this season as well which never happened under Moyes.

    In short he's doing a better job but it's still not good enough.
    blind and herrera have been solid.
    rojo has been decent; he could be much better with a solid partner imo.
    shaw has been okay, although he's obviously for the future.
    di maria has been wayyyyy under par; you know what he can do so it's even more frustrating.
    falcao has just been.....lol.

    i would say the best signings you have made are young and valencia.
    i'm literally classing them as new acquisitions simply because they seem like different players to me - they should be nailed on starters imo (especially young).

    i agree, team selection and formation set-up is the most frustrating part of LVG.
    you saw it a little with rodgers earlier in the season but we found the system and look at us now!
    as a fan i would be pissed off that it has taken this long are there are still few signs that he knows what he's doing.

    i think moyes was unfortunately to be directly after SAF.
    there is always going to be a drop in managerial quality, but clearly the players didn't appreciate that and they simply didn't care.
    now with LVG, he is much more accomplished as a manager so there will be more respect there.
    however i feel like looking at the circumstances, he has done no better than moyes, so it pisses me off with how much protection/how little criticism he seems to get.

    with respect, i feel like the difference between moyes and LVG is simply luck and little else more :/
    you can't deny that you have had a pretty lucky season in general, and i don't mean in the way of single, isolated events.
    i mean things like rivals underperforming, opponents missing sitters and just generally somehow getting points from a game with a 2/10 performance.

    i respect moyes twice as much as LVG and that is saying a lot coming from a liverpool fan.

    (Original post by Lyrical Prodigy)
    That Jagielka goal has to come down as one of the best derby goals ever. I'll never forget that lol, literally the last kick of the match. He literally went "**** it why not" and blasted in a beauty. Sorry..am..am I bringing back memories or?

    Urgh cheers for the encouragement lol, we'll see how it goes tomorrow. Wouldn't be surprised if the Emirates was half empty tbh. But that's why I love our fans tbh, always a packed place even in times of trouble.
    those 2 points could literally ruin our season when you consider how close it is at the top.
    i know fans always look back at the ifs and buts but that was simply a one in a million goal that turned 3 points in to 1, it's as simple as that.
    if we miss out on top 4 by a few points, we won't hear the end of it from everton fans and it'll haunt me for a long time...

    meh, we'll see.
    maybe there will be a few surprises - we normally play well against city but don't get the result (bar anfield last season).

    (Original post by SA-1)
    I know what getting close feels like, think the pain of gooners in 2006, when we should have won the CL

    It's the Henry miss that still pains me
    i feel your pain - the 2007 revenge CL final was tough to take
    at least there are something things you can fall back on though; i truly believe i'll never see an invincibles season ever again.

    under normaly circumstances i'd say CL>PL however having a whole season undefeated?
    unbeatable.
    (Original post by al_94)
    You Liverpool fans are desperate but then again you haven't won the league in 25 years :hahaha::lfc:
    please don't :/
    can you imagine how it feels to come runners up to both manchester clubs in my time supporting liverpool?
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    (Original post by gunit123)
    Isn't betting haram?
    Is it all the Saudi's do it and told me it's fine.
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    (Original post by Arkasia)
    Bitey boy needed a fresh start away from the PL :yy:
    Bitey boy wa nuh be bitey wit mi.
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    (Original post by Lúcio)
    blind and herrera have been solid.
    rojo has been decent; he could be much better with a solid partner imo.
    shaw has been okay, although he's obviously for the future.
    di maria has been wayyyyy under par; you know what he can do so it's even more frustrating.
    falcao has just been.....lol.

    i would say the best signings you have made are young and valencia.
    i'm literally classing them as new acquisitions simply because they seem like different players to me - they should be nailed on starters imo (especially young).

    i agree, team selection and formation set-up is the most frustrating part of LVG.
    you saw it a little with rodgers earlier in the season but we found the system and look at us now!
    as a fan i would be pissed off that it has taken this long are there are still few signs that he knows what he's doing.

    i think moyes was unfortunately to be directly after SAF.
    there is always going to be a drop in managerial quality, but clearly the players didn't appreciate that and they simply didn't care.
    now with LVG, he is much more accomplished as a manager so there will be more respect there.
    however i feel like looking at the circumstances, he has done no better than moyes, so it pisses me off with how much protection/how little criticism he seems to get.

    with respect, i feel like the difference between moyes and LVG is simply luck and little else more :/
    you can't deny that you have had a pretty lucky season in general, and i don't mean in the way of single, isolated events.
    i mean things like rivals underperforming, opponents missing sitters and just generally somehow getting points from a game with a 2/10 performance.

    i respect moyes twice as much as LVG and that is saying a lot coming from a liverpool fan.



    those 2 points could literally ruin our season when you consider how close it is at the top.
    i know fans always look back at the ifs and buts but that was simply a one in a million goal that turned 3 points in to 1, it's as simple as that.
    if we miss out on top 4 by a few points, we won't hear the end of it from everton fans and it'll haunt me for a long time...

    meh, we'll see.
    maybe there will be a few surprises - we normally play well against city but don't get the result (bar anfield last season).



    i feel your pain - the 2007 revenge CL final was tough to take
    at least there are something things you can fall back on though; i truly believe i'll never see an invincibles season ever again.

    under normaly circumstances i'd say CL>PL however having a whole season undefeated?
    unbeatable.


    please don't :/
    can you imagine how it feels to come runners up to both manchester clubs in my time supporting liverpool?
    My my, you have been doing a fair bit of United bashing on here of late Lukey boy, squeaky bum time getting to you?

    In fairness this post is a bit better and a bit less 'united are utter ****' than some of your other recent ones You made some good points about Valencia and Young being like new signings. But I think you are being too harsh on Van Gaal.

    He has balls where Moyes didn't for starters. More than happy to haul are record signing off at half time for a young player when the former was badly under performing. Moyes was too scared to make big calls due to the repercussions.

    Also, although I agree that the fact we don't have a rigid formation, starting XI etc in the month of March is extremely frustrating, we are still 5 players away from having a proper squad, which has therefore caused tinkering continuously to try and find a balance. Not easy when the squad inherited was so horrendously unbalanced.

    I also feel Moyes dug his on grave in spending a summer chasing unrealistic targets and ending up with Fellaini, who he previously managed yet couldn't even use properly. Baffling. Our signings bar Falcao have been the right ones, and I believe he was Woodwards doing anyway.

    All that said, I agree is has not been good enough and I hoped we would have progressed quicker. But don't underestimate the mess he picker up after Moyes. I do still believe if we scrape top 4, Van Gaal could build something that will compete on all fronts. But fact of the matter is we have to get top 4 now and we're running out of time to find form. It's between us and you in my opinion. Arsenal are agiven, they always qualify some how.

    I think Van Gaal will pull something out of the bag, that's my gut. Could be wrong though, it's 50/50 right now and today's result will be important. Although everything really comes down to Anfield fixture. If you drew today for example but won at Anfield, that'd make you favourites considering our fixture list. But if you lost/drew today and then we won at Anfield, it's over IMO. Fine margins.

    Anyway credit to Rogers for turning the team around. The season would still be a failure for Liverpool fans if you finished outside top 4 and won nothing. But you have a chance at both, and you looked dead and buried a couple of months ago. I think as Liverpool fan you can see the good in giving an under performing manager plenty of time, if you think long term he is right. Rogers and Klopp are prime examples of this.

    Edit: Just realised this was the Arsenal thread. Apologies guys, didn't mean to hijack your thread onto Liverpool/United chat. My bad.

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    #Arsenal team to play @Everton: Ospina, Bellerin, Gabriel, Koscielny, Gibbs, Coquelin, Cazorla, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Ozil, Alexis, Giroud

    #Arsenal subs: Szczesny, Mertesacker, Monreal, Chambers, Rosicky, Walcott, Welbeck #AFCvEFC
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    So the Big Fat Grouch is dropped. Looks like he'll definitely be off in 2016
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    (Original post by Peggles_*)
    #Arsenal team to play @Everton: Ospina, Bellerin, Gabriel, Koscielny, Gibbs, Coquelin, Cazorla, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Ozil, Alexis, Giroud

    #Arsenal subs: Szczesny, Mertesacker, Monreal, Chambers, Rosicky, Walcott, Welbeck #AFCvEFC
    That lampost Giroud starts again. He should give Szczesny a chance now Ospina has been poor recently. Monreal has been dropped despite of his good recent performances. At least that Giraffe Mertesacker has finally been dropped and we can see Gabriel.
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    Wenger hates Walcott I reckon
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    Walcott the "impact sub", most likely gonna replace Ozil on the hour
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    (Original post by Kenan and Kel)
    Wenger hates Walcott I reckon
    Or he's realised that he is now the new Podolski. Soon to become obsolete in our squad, his main attribute he possess is no longer unique to him in our team.

    I have a sneaking suspicion that TW14 may be on the way out in the summer, currently has less than 18 months on his contact.


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    (Original post by al_94)
    That lampost Giroud starts again. He should give Szczesny a chance now Ospina has been poor recently. Monreal has been dropped despite of his good recent performances. At least that Giraffe Mertesacker has finally been dropped and we can see Gabriel.
    Arsene loves Giroud. Dropping him after his horror show against Monaco would completely crush his confidence.

    Ospina, however has been garbage of late. Gone from 3 clean sheets in his first 3 to 7 goals conceded in 4. The Ospina Experiment should be over now, get Szcz back in goal.

    Coquelin has been saying Per's arse over the last few weeks, he got found out against Monaco, right to be dropped.

    Monreal must be carrying a knock, I don't see why he lost his place.


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    YESSS bye Merta, sit on the bench for a bit. Hmmm Ospina still in goal...ok ok. I can live with that.

    This win is even more ****ing important now that Liverpool and deservedly so, have won.

    COYG!!
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    dont really like the liverpool result..

    Nice to have the potential to only be 4pts off city.. but liverpools second half of the season form is so good at the moment.. and they are our next ' big' game
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    Why should Giroud be dropped? Yes he had a **** game but dropping him won't help at all. Who is he going to be replaced with? Alexis up front? Nah I'll pass.
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    Walcott should be in our best 11 quite easily whilst on form.
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    Yeah, Walcott is an important player for us. He's the only one who doesn't want the ball to feet and makes forward runs. He's the exact type of player that Ozil needs too and let's not forget he's pretty clinical when in form.

    Having said that he could improve on his work rate for sure.


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    (Original post by hayles101)
    My my, you have been doing a fair bit of United bashing on here of late Lukey boy, squeaky bum time getting to you?

    In fairness this post is a bit better and a bit less 'united are utter ****' than some of your other recent ones You made some good points about Valencia and Young being like new signings. But I think you are being too harsh on Van Gaal.

    He has balls where Moyes didn't for starters. More than happy to haul are record signing off at half time for a young player when the former was badly under performing. Moyes was too scared to make big calls due to the repercussions.

    Also, although I agree that the fact we don't have a rigid formation, starting XI etc in the month of March is extremely frustrating, we are still 5 players away from having a proper squad, which has therefore caused tinkering continuously to try and find a balance. Not easy when the squad inherited was so horrendously unbalanced.

    I also feel Moyes dug his on grave in spending a summer chasing unrealistic targets and ending up with Fellaini, who he previously managed yet couldn't even use properly. Baffling. Our signings bar Falcao have been the right ones, and I believe he was Woodwards doing anyway.

    All that said, I agree is has not been good enough and I hoped we would have progressed quicker. But don't underestimate the mess he picker up after Moyes. I do still believe if we scrape top 4, Van Gaal could build something that will compete on all fronts. But fact of the matter is we have to get top 4 now and we're running out of time to find form. It's between us and you in my opinion. Arsenal are agiven, they always qualify some how.

    I think Van Gaal will pull something out of the bag, that's my gut. Could be wrong though, it's 50/50 right now and today's result will be important. Although everything really comes down to Anfield fixture. If you drew today for example but won at Anfield, that'd make you favourites considering our fixture list. But if you lost/drew today and then we won at Anfield, it's over IMO. Fine margins.

    Anyway credit to Rogers for turning the team around. The season would still be a failure for Liverpool fans if you finished outside top 4 and won nothing. But you have a chance at both, and you looked dead and buried a couple of months ago. I think as Liverpool fan you can see the good in giving an under performing manager plenty of time, if you think long term he is right. Rogers and Klopp are prime examples of this.

    Edit: Just realised this was the Arsenal thread. Apologies guys, didn't mean to hijack your thread onto Liverpool/United chat. My bad.

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    oh hayles you know me, i like to mix it up; i'm a badass like that

    well before you were just awful but at least now you're tried to change things a little.
    you still needd to go a bit further by dropping falcao but it's clear you're beginning to find the right players and the right system.
    it's just a question of whether it's a little too late to still be optimising your set-up at this stage.

    honestly i don't think he much more balls tbh; it took him a long, long time to realise that di maria just isn't cutting it, not to mention how much leeway he has given falcao in general.

    true, moyes was very poor in the transfer market.
    i just feel like the general attitude wasn't right for him, almost like people didn't believe he was good ebnough for the job.
    they didn't believe in him so they didn't work hard enough for him, so he didn't get the results.
    i really do feel for moyes; he just wanted a job on a bigger stage and it essentially ruined his reputation merely because he happened to be the successor to one of the greatest managers of all time.

    the issue i have with LVG is that he has had a massive amount of resources and hasn't even had european distraction, yet isn't doing THAT much better than moyes imo, particularly with regards to performance levels.
    you may be winning the points, but in the long term you need to perform and play good football; with respect you're nowhere near the manchester united that is expected.

    so yeah....we just won
    no offence but we're unstoppable right now; i don't see you getting anything from anfield although football is a crazy game.
    depressingly, those 2 points jagielka stole from us really could decide who makes top 4 this season

    top 4 is all we want; anything else was just going to be a bonus.
    2 points behind you now, you scared?

    pfffft, who cares if this is the arsenal thread?
    we live life on the edge:cool:
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    I wonder how many times Ox will give the ball away today.
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    (Original post by midnightice)
    I wonder how many times Ox will give the ball away today.
    just 3 times....right in to the net :cool:
 
 
 
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