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:laugh: you're kidding right? Do you seriously expect me to believe that the players are running complex mathematical equations though their heads constantly? And how on earth could you call that art.

:toofunny: so you are trying to tell me that that all sporting people don't use mussel memory then? In my mind they are basically the same.

Well they will re-make it with new people, quite frankly top gear got boring for me years ago because each and every episode was basically the same.
which they did...

and the public pressure on him not to do that in immense.
Haha, they aren't gonna be able to re-make it. They're gonna have to ****ing start a new show with the same name. They can't really salvage what it's become...
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well they will re make it

which they did...

and the public pressure on him not to do that in immense.
Ermm lol, remaking a show based on personalities when the four main characters have gone that shares nothing but a name... That's going to work. /s

How is shutting down your main source of profit in a time when your budget is stretched to breaking, the best thing for a company?

There was no public pressure as the story wasn't made public until well after it happened. He could have referred it to the police then. But he didn't.


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(Original post by Aph)
:laugh: you're kidding right? Do you seriously expect me to believe that the players are running complex mathematical equations though their heads constantly? And how on earth could you call that art.

:toofunny: so you are trying to tell me that that all sporting people don't use mussel memory then? In my mind they are basically the same.
No, they aren't, but they have to take into account a lot of causation. For example, moving the ball to the left cause player A to move to the right which causes every other player in the defence to move into a new position. Managers are looking at that and trying to get their players to move the opposing players into beneficial ways for the way you want your players to move. Whether managers are conscious of it or not, they're engaging in a battle of game theory. Football is applied political science.
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Haha, they aren't gonna be able to re-make it. They're gonna have to ****ing start a new show with the same name. They can't really salvage what it's become...
they did back when Angela was hosting it. You give them too little credit.

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How is shutting down your main source of profit in a time when your budget is stretched to breaking, the best thing for a company?

There was no public pressure as the story wasn't made public until well after it happened. He could have referred it to the police then. But he didn't.


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it was ethically the right thing to do. Ethics trumps money.
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No, they aren't, but they have to take into account a lot of causation. For example, moving the ball to the left cause player A to move to the right which causes every other player in the defence to move into a new position. Managers are looking at that and trying to get their players to move the opposing players into beneficial ways for the way you want your players to move. Whether managers are conscious of it or not, they're engaging in a battle of game theory. Football is applied political science.
But that's exactly what you do in snooker, try and force your opponent to make an error, and in tennis and in every single sport... I fail to see your point.
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it was ethically the right thing to do. Ethics trumps money.
We weren't talking about ethics,
(although there is a good argument that ethically they shouldn't have fired him - as a result of it lots of people have been/will be laid off.) we're talking about what's best for the corporation. Killing your best source of income is certainly not best for a fiscally struggling corporation.


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:laugh: you're kidding right? Do you seriously expect me to believe that the players are running complex mathematical equations though their heads constantly? And how on earth could you call that art.

:toofunny: so you are trying to tell me that that all sporting people don't use mussel memory then? In my mind they are basically the same.

Well they will re-make it with new people, quite frankly top gear got boring for me years ago because each and every episode was basically the same.
which they did...

and the public pressure on him not to do that in immense.
Football involves a lot of data science. Whilst the players themselves will obviously not be proving that P = NP and whatnot whilst playing, a lot of teams invest in scientific methods to try and get the best result in the game.
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But that's exactly what you do in snooker, try and force your opponent to make an error, and in tennis and in every single sport... I fail to see your point.
the systems are more complex. and snooker is about putting balls in holes and stopping you opponent doing it if you decide this turn that it's too hard for you. Simplistic. In tennis you hit the ball, as far as you can, in a difficult place for the other player. Compared to football, the grand strategy in these games is babyish.
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Anyone watching the Snooker on the red button? Trump vs Fu
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Why does blocking someone not include their quotes? :dry:
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(Original post by Cryptographic)
We weren't talking about ethics,
(although there is a good argument that ethically they shouldn't have fired him - as a result of it lots of people have been/will be laid off.) we're talking about what's best for the corporation. Killing your best source of income is certainly not best for a fiscally struggling corporation.


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But image the public outcry if nothing has happened, after Savile being covered up by the BBC and then refusing to do anything, that would be far worse IMO for the BBC.
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(Original post by The Financier)
Football involves a lot of data science. Whilst the players themselves will obviously not be proving that P = NP and whatnot whilst playing, a lot of teams invest in scientific methods to try and get the best result in the game.
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the systems are more complex. and snooker is about putting balls in holes and stopping you opponent doing it if you decide this turn that it's too hard for you. Simplistic. In tennis you hit the ball, as far as you can, in a difficult place for the other player. Compared to football, the grand strategy in these games is babyish.
Ok, so if it does involve a lot of game theory then what's the point? When will your life ever depend on your ability to kick a ball into a net? We should focus on life saving sports in my opinion.
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Ok, so if it does involve a lot of game theory then what's the point? When will your life ever depend on your ability to kick a ball into a net? We should focus on life saving sports in my opinion.
You cannot possibly defend that.
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You cannot possibly defend that.
Defend what?
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Defend what?
That the only sports(?) that save lives should be enjoyed. That's ludicrous. It's the kind of reasoning people who follow inferior sports to football resort to.
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(Original post by KingStannis)
the systems are more complex. and snooker is about putting balls in holes and stopping you opponent doing it if you decide this turn that it's too hard for you. Simplistic. In tennis you hit the ball, as far as you can, in a difficult place for the other player. Compared to football, the grand strategy in these games is babyish.
Tennis is pretty strategic. Knowing whether you want to go for winners or put topspin on the ball to force errors ect.. not to mention that tennis at the top level is stupidly physical these days where the rallies are long.

The days of serve and volley are long gone, these days it's concentration, stamina and strategy with 30 shot rallies.

Football players have it a bit hard but they don't have to run for 5 hours without breaks using the same hand to hit their shots.
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That the only sports(?) that save lives should be enjoyed. That's ludicrous. It's the kind of reasoning people who follow inferior sports to football resort to.
Well would you rather that children were taught how to swim or play football?

also I take it they you like rugby, polo, lacrosse, handball, water polo ect. Then too? After all they all are basically the same... In fact water polo is better because it teacher people to swim and game theory at the same time.
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Tennis is pretty strategic. Knowing whether you want to go for winners or put topspin on the ball to force errors ect.. not to mention that tennis at the top level is stupidly physical these days where the rallies are long.

The days of serve and volley are long gone, these days it's concentration, stamina and strategy with 30 shot rallies.

Football players have it a bit hard but they don't have to run for 5 hours without breaks using the same hand to hit their shots.
Tennis isn't that strategic; it's highly, highly tactical. And tennis players have to be very fit, yes. I'd imagine it a different style of fitness involved though.
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Ok, so if it does involve a lot of game theory then what's the point? When will your life ever depend on your ability to kick a ball into a net? We should focus on life saving sports in my opinion.
Just a quick question, do you actually know what game theory is?

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Just a quick question, do you actually know what game theory is?

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Yes... I understand some of the basic concepts of it. Maths is maths.
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