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TSR MHoC General Election March 2013 Watch

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    TSR Conservative and Unionist Party
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    77
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    TSR Labour Party
    131
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    TSR Liberal Party
    53
    8.72%
    TSR Libertarian Party
    46
    7.57%
    TSR Socialist Party
    69
    11.35%
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    36
    5.92%
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    (Original post by Glory&Honour)
    I would vote UKIP, but their policies don't go far enough. Where are the true right wing parties?
    You'll need to elaborate on the policy prescription that you would like to see.

    (Original post by politixx)
    What do all the parties plan to do to prevent the poorest members of society being beaten to jobs by foreign imports?

    Also what do the parties plan to do to bring back jobs from countries like China and prevent more businesses outsourcing overseas?
    Better education in the long term, nothing in the short term for businesses can hire whichever staff they like as far as i am concerned.

    Here you need to look at what China is actually making, in many cases it is low quality and cheap.

    To prevent outsourcing however we can adopt an effective strategy of encouraging growth in key developing niche industries such as the space industry which we provided funding for, we can look at incentives for the communications industry, attract more automotive companies, attract companies that build key infrastructure developments such as wind, solar and desalinisation technology. The UK needs to focus itself on high value, high quality, niche industries. You know, lets get Tesla and SpaceX over here, the Saudi's are building high capacity desalinsation plants so lets supply the components. It's my firm belief that we need a structured, targeted approach and to actually adopt an industrial strategy, in short we need to become more like Germany.
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    (Original post by tufc)
    I think I can say with a large degree of certainty we won't be supporting any of those policies any time soon. We are effectively a party of Thatcherites; those ideas are plain fascist.

    Inb4 anti-Maggie morons saying "should fit right in then". Hurr durr.
    2. All benefits stopped.

    3. Military service for all 16-25 year old.

    These two aren't fascist, the First is libertarian and the second is used in all kind of societies.
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    (Original post by tufc)
    No, I'm arguing that it's a good thing to learn. My priority is selective education; a key part of that is competition. If it weren't, I wouldn't be overly bothered by it.
    Why is it a good thing to learn? Considering you are saying the opposite of leading educationalists, please to explain your views.
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    (Original post by tehFrance)
    Why do you want UKIP to have these? UKIP are for UK Independence, they are rather Socialist in a way.

    1. I actually agree with this providing the children do not have a British citizen as parent.
    2. Moronic.
    3. Hell yeah, Patriotism brother :france:
    4. Fascist much?
    5. Totally agree.

    For Fascist policies, vote tehFrance.

    tehFrance, a Fascist in the good sense :smug:
    Question Everything :fuhrer:
    We are not socialist in any way, shape or form.
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    (Original post by Tuerin)
    You can't even spell empirical research, why on earth should anyone trust you to be able to harness it effectively
    Yet further proof of the failure of the current education system.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    You'll need to elaborate on the policy prescription that you would like to see.



    Better education in the long term, nothing in the short term for businesses can hire whichever staff they like as far as i am concerned.

    Here you need to look at what China is actually making, in many cases it is low quality and cheap.

    To prevent outsourcing however we can adopt an effective strategy of encouraging growth in key developing niche industries such as the space industry which we provided funding for, we can look at incentives for the communications industry, attract more automotive companies, attract companies that build key infrastructure developments such as wind, solar and desalinisation technology. The UK needs to focus itself on high value, high quality, niche industries. You know, lets get Tesla and SpaceX over here, the Saudi's are building high capacity desalinsation plants so lets supply the components. It's my firm belief that we need a structured, targeted approach and to actually adopt an industrial strategy, in short we need to become more like Germany.
    How does bringing in lots of high tech industries help the poorest of society? You can't just say "educate them more" because that isn't always possible, people have limitations that cannot be overcome.

    For example say we have a field of cows now we need a job for these cows and you say "we bring in lots of high tech industries and educate them". You can throw all the money you like at education but I guarantee you won't be able to educate the cows enough so that they can work in the space industry.
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    (Original post by tufc)
    We are not socialist in any way, shape or form.
    No, you're a racist, bigot. The party is a single issue party and the policies they have to fill out the manifesto are pretty stupid and that is compared to my stupid policies that mean very little as I am running as a protest vote.

    As for your other question, no I do not care to expand nor explain my reasons for hating your stupidity.
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    (Original post by Tuerin)
    You can't even spell empirical research, why on earth should anyone trust you to be able to harness it effectively
    That's almost as funny as the old "intelegence has a right wing bias, it goes without saying" quote.
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    (Original post by chrisawhitmore)
    Yet further proof of the failure of the current education system.
    I would have thought someone who has achieved a BSc in Psychology would have had ample provision and opportunity to learn to spell correctly. Let's not jump on the bandwagon of automatically blaming gaps in learning on the quality of our education system. As a Libertarian I would have thought you appreciated the idea of taking responsibility
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    (Original post by tufc)
    Care to explain why?
    To be honest, no. I had to do a large project on this earlier in the year and no amount of job prospects and money can ever give me back those hours of my life.

    Basically, selective education creates a tiered system. It does not lead to a system where you have parity of esteem. This is what we need. Even in countries in Germany where they have a kind of tripartite education and a booming economy, there are problems.
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    (Original post by tuerin)
    You can't even spell empirical research, why on earth should anyone trust you to be able to harness it effectively
    Everyone makes mistakes sweetie, i'm currently having a quickfire debate on my facebook status, am reading an article, and debating on here. I also got a first on my dissertation which was about education, and have studied it a fair bit.

    Also, i know what an ad hom is

    If you don't believe me, look up Dwecks notions of implicit theories...
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    (Original post by Glory&Honour)
    A few points I would like UKIP to consider before I could vote for them would be:

    1. The repatriation of all immigrants who have arrived since 1960, and their offspring.

    2. All benefits stopped.

    3. Military service for all 16-25 year old.

    4. All newspaper and media outlets state controlled.

    5. All unions banned.
    What an odd mix of policies. You would simultaneously rip a huge chunk out of our economy, murder thousands of people and ruin our education system.

    The impact on our hi-tech industries alone of 1 and 3 would be devastating, as they would lose those of their workers who are immigrants, which is a higher proportion in high skill jobs (Pharmaceuticals in particular would suffer from the loss of many workers), and deny them the ability to replace these workers by packing all the British students off to a pointless term of military service which would serve only to make them a drain on the economy rather than a boon to it.

    Spectacularly poorly thought out, and a party which implemented any of these would be one with which I would have no dealings.
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    (Original post by paperclip)
    Everyone makes mistakes sweetie, i'm currently having a quickfire debate on my facebook status, am reading an article, and debating on here. I also got a first on my dissertation which was about education, and have studied it a fair bit.

    Also, i know what an ad hom is

    If you don't believe me, look up Dwecks notions of implicit theories...
    It wasn't ad hominem, since I didn't attack your character. I attacked your spelling, and by extension your intelligence, on a particular issue you were claiming to be knowledgeable about. It just seems to me that if you are so well versed in the application of empirical science as you say you would be able to spell 'empirical science' correctly.
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    (Original post by politixx)
    How does bringing in lots of high tech industries help the poorest of society? You can't just say "educate them more" because that isn't always possible, people have limitations that cannot be overcome.

    For example say we have a field of cows now we need a job for these cows and you say "we bring in lots of high tech industries and educate them". You can throw all the money you like at education but I guarantee you won't be able to educate the cows enough so that they can work in the space industry.
    Unless your envisaging factories making clothes and the like then the only alternative for the 'unskilled' is service sector retail, hospitality and customer service jobs and there's not much you can do about it because we are frankly too expensive.

    What we can do however is to allow a more equal opportunity so that if you are capable, you can succeed.

    You have a good point regarding space and the like however for the moment we can supply enough graduates to meet demand and if we cannot then we will look at incentives or encourage immigration.
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    (Original post by Glory&Honour)
    A few points I would like UKIP to consider before I could vote for them would be:

    1. The repatriation of all immigrants who have arrived since 1960, and their offspring.

    2. All benefits stopped.

    3. Military service for all 16-25 year old.

    4. All newspaper and media outlets state controlled.

    5. All unions banned.
    Right, hm, interesting:


    1. If they don't have any British parents, I can understand but It may be difficult
    2. No, Stupid, the system needs to be fixed, I agree
    3. Because every 16-25 year old is capable of military service, aren't they?
    4. That isn't going to happen, but I can understand they need to be controlled more.
    5. Like that's going to happen

    No Trade Unions, all 16-25 year olds to do military service, control on the media and removal of immigrants. I remember someone else having similar policies? (Clue::fuhrer:)
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    (Original post by Tuerin)
    I would have thought someone who has achieved a BSc in Psychology would have had ample provision and opportunity to learn to spell correctly. Let's not jump on the bandwagon of automatically blaming gaps in learning on the quality of our education system. As a Libertarian I would have thought you appreciated the idea of taking responsibility
    It's part of the tiered education system. People who can spell do STEM subjects, people who can mostly spell do social sciences, people who used to eat crayons do arts subjects and people who still eat crayons study modern art.
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    (Original post by chrisawhitmore)
    It's part of the tiered education system. People who can spell do STEM subjects, people who can mostly spell do social sciences, people who used to eat crayons do arts subjects and people who still eat crayons study modern art.
    What a bundle of ignorance this is. Going by your logic a student of English literature at a top Russell Group uni can't spell. Nonsense.
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    (Original post by Tuerin)
    It wasn't ad hominem, since I didn't attack your character. I attacked your spelling, and by extension your intelligence, on a particular issue you were claiming to be knowledgeable about. It just seems to me that if you are so well versed in the application of empirical science as you say you would be able to spell 'empirical science' correctly.
    So you couldn't retort to my point about you not being able to evidence any of your claims, and me being able to evidence my claims, so you attack my intelligence. You do realise you don't need to be able to spell empirical (or any other word for that matter) in order to read scientific articles? :rolleyes:

    Actually, i am pretty sure my spelling is quite atrocious. Has never stopped me reading (or writing for that matter, thanks to spell check!)
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    (Original post by politixx)
    2. All benefits stopped.

    3. Military service for all 16-25 year old.

    These two aren't fascist, the First is libertarian and the second is used in all kind of societies.
    The other three are, though. In any case, the two you pointed out are the more reasonable of the 5, though I still don't agree with them.
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    (Original post by tufc)
    Yes, but neither does your assertion that you would have been fine in the comprehensive.
    Well, it depends what I mean by fine. I did go to a comprehensive 6th form, and before that I went to a poorly performing college. I had been arrested long before I left the selective school and, as I have attended one, I can at least say that in my personal experience they are FAR from packed full of particularly intelligent people. You are right though that my anecdotal evidence is worth no more than yours.

    (Original post by tehFrance)
    Oh how I wish I had this, it would be great to know my IQ of some sorts
    You could pay to take a test, but honestly I wouldn't bother.
 
 
 
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