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    (Original post by Jimbo1234)
    You're an old user and we've had this dance many times before. I know what side of the scale you are on so I'm not presuming anything.

    "Slightly nazi", wow, what a spectacular argument. Or how about I don't want to live with miserable people who lack ambition, self control, motivation, the ability to deal with emotional issues etc. But just to make it fair, I would want a lot of people kicked out of this country for numerous reasons, not just overweight people, though that would be 62% of England...so it really is a massive problem.
    excuse me but I don't remember ever telling you my weight. my bmi is perfectly normal though I don't see what ****ing business it is of yours.

    tbh the fact that you associate all these negative traits with people who are overweight is your problem, not theirs. in fact I think it's quite possible that you're projecting all these traits onto other people, when actually they're yours. :holmes:
    like I said. brighten up.
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    I have only two problems with fat people (who are not fat for a medical reason that cannot be combated) that I can think of.

    The first, smaller, issue is that they're too big a strain on public health services. If they just got with the programme and sorted out their lifestyle and lost some weight, this wouldn't be the case.

    The second and larger issue for me is that as more and more people become overweight or even obese, society panders to their emotional needs regarding their weight and it becomes normalised, leading to a culture of not mentioning weight enough and there not being strong enough focus on an ideal, for people to know exactly what they should be aiming for to be hitting the best quality of life they can. Before I went through a phase of watching The Biggest Loser I would never have thought to lift weights, at all. Society doesn't tell women (or men, for that matter) that they should be doing weight exercises. It's still seen too much as this niche thing that guys who are obsessed with bodybuilding do - and women are steered in the direction of cardio, cardio, cardio if anything at all.
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    excuse me but I don't remember ever telling you my weight. my bmi is perfectly normal though I don't see what ****ing business it is of yours.

    tbh the fact that you associate all these negative traits with people who are overweight is your problem, not theirs. in fact I think it's quite possible that you're projecting all these traits onto other people, when actually they're yours. :holmes:
    like I said. brighten up.
    No, you didn't tell me but you did tell another user :teehee: Shall I send you pictures of cake? :rofl:

    How do you even work out any of that? Just answer this, do people actively choose and seek to become overweight?


    (Original post by Ronove)
    I have only two problems with fat people (who are not fat for a medical reason that cannot be combated) that I can think of.

    The first, smaller, issue is that they're too big a strain on public health services. If they just got with the programme and sorted out their lifestyle and lost some weight, this wouldn't be the case.

    The second and larger issue for me is that as more and more people become overweight or even obese, society panders to their emotional needs regarding their weight and it becomes normalised, leading to a culture of not mentioning weight enough and there not being strong enough focus on an ideal, for people to know exactly what they should be aiming for to be hitting the best quality of life they can. Before I went through a phase of watching The Biggest Loser I would never have thought to lift weights, at all. Society doesn't tell women (or men, for that matter) that they should be doing weight exercises. It's still seen too much as this niche thing that guys who are obsessed with bodybuilding do - and women are steered in the direction of cardio, cardio, cardio if anything at all.
    Damn you are good at speaking sense. Society has a lot to answer for. Many countries without weight issues have no problem in telling someone if they are fat. In fact many are very blunt eg. mothers telling daughters "You are fat! Lose weight! No boy would want you looking like that." Also education when it comes to exercise and diet is terrible in the UK. Low carb diets have been common in Europe for a few decades, yet most people here still have no idea what a carb is, nor a protein shake etc. Your also perfectly right about weights. Apparently women think they will turn into some massive roid fueled hulk if they even lift a dumbbell...when in fact they will tone and have low muscle growth. Sadly I can't see this changing anytime soon due to how extreme liberalism has grown along with the fat majority dominating the population (62%).
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    (Original post by Jimbo1234)
    No, you didn't tell me but you did tell another user :teehee: Shall I send you pictures of cake? :rofl:

    How do you even work out any of that? Just answer this, do people actively choose and seek to become overweight?
    let's see...can you post some proof of that?

    it's really not a difficult assumption. just basic psychology. people tend to portray their negative qualities onto other people.

    I'm not going to argue with someone so immature they need to make food jokes. Grow Up.

    Oh and like the Iron Lady said (I can't believe I'm agreeing with her), you need to have some perspective on the issue. If you post moronic comments like the one above, your points are just going to be invalid.
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    let's see...can you post some proof of that?

    it's really not a difficult assumption. just basic psychology. people tend to portray their negative qualities onto other people.

    I'm not going to argue with someone so immature they need to make food jokes. Grow Up.
    Oh wow...you didn't answer my question. What a surprise.
    So here it is one last time : do people actively choose and seek to become overweight?
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    (Original post by Jimbo1234)
    Oh wow...you didn't answer my question. What a surprise.
    So here it is one last time : do people actively choose and seek to become overweight?
    I've never heard anyone say to themselves "I'm going to stuff myself and become fat".

    I don't see your point though.

    See my Edit.

    also why do you assume all fat people are single in some of your posts? I'd say most manage to form meaningful relationships at some point in their life.
    if 62% of the population is fat, it cant be possible that 62% of the adult population is single.
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    (Original post by Iron Lady)
    1. If they are having difficulty breathing, moving, etc. then they know they need to lose weight. They don't need smug nannies and Perfect Peters telling them what to do, when they already know. You're reinforcing the issue and actually making it worse.

    2. Then they are not confident, but insecure, truly confident people do not need to put others down to reinforce their confidence. That's bullying and wrong.

    3. If they're merely chubby why should they change? No health issues, no difficulty breathing or moving, no problems. Unless you want them to be just like everyone else.

    4. But why is it necessary when they're not oblivious to their own weight? I don't think it's offensive, but I do think it's the nanny state telling people to keep their weight under control, when people aren't dumb.
    1. Unfortunately some don't. I'm saying this by experience, as my maternal family has a history of obesity and diabetes, and, funny enough, they are all doctors. I myself am not a "smug nanny" but when someone you know is morbidly obese, knows the issue, but has difficulties controlling their weight and appetite, would you rather help of leave them be?
    For example, a specialist will obviously tell when a person should pay more attention to their diet, because its their job, and in their interest that an individual doesn't end up worse. Of course, the individual doesn't always have to listen to the remarks.
    So the "you're reinforcing the issue and actually making it worse" does not always apply.

    2. Well you got that point. Putting someone down to boost one's own esteem will always lead to bullying.

    3. I never said merely chubby people should change. Its all up to them. I myself an considered a bit plump and I don't want to look like a model.

    4. I don't know how severe the nanny state is like there. Here, the nanny state doesn't effect the adult population as it does to the teenage population. Some people may just be motivated to change to a healthier lifestyle; I don't know.

    (Original post by Nomes89)
    That's not even true and is completely sensationalist (never mind the fact that size zero doesn't effectively exist in this country). No one thinks muffin top makes someone fat and if anything magazines nowadays praise female celebs for their 'curves'. If anything general society is becoming more accepting of the idea that being fat is normal as people consider size 14 and 16 to be so just because it is the average. We don't have a malnourishment problem in this country but an obesity one so there's no point arguing to the contrary.
    Where I live, a size 10 and above is considered fat. Many of the stores here won't sell women's clothing above size 12, because it ruins the "model image". I almost felt bad about myself before by this social ideology because my size is around 14/16 (fortunately I have gotten over it). So both our paradigms contradict each other, hence we'll have no ending to this argument. We, on the other hand, have malnourishment problems, as well as obesity problems, knowing the culture here in this third world country.
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    I've never heard anyone say to themselves "I'm going to stuff myself and become fat".

    I don't see your point though.

    See my Edit.

    also why do you assume all fat people are single in some of your posts? I'd say most manage to form meaningful relationships at some point in their life.
    if 62% of the population is fat, it cant be possible that 62% of the adult population is single.
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    Ok, well clearly you didn't pick up on what I wrote or where I'm going with this.
    If no one chooses to become fat, then it is an accidental byproduct of other actions.
    Now what makes someone become overweight? And no, ill health is no an answer for over 90% of overweight people.

    I never assume fat people are single, just that fat people will never be with someone attractive. Well that 62% is an equal split of men and women, and like attracts like.
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    (Original post by Iron Lady)
    Nothing wrong with overeating and not exercising, it's their choice - as long as they don't affect others.
    Nothing wrong with smoking, it's their choice - as long as they don't hurt others.
    Nothing wrong with drug-taking, it's their choice - as long as it's for private use.
    Get the picture?

    Good for you if you don't want to be fat, it's your choice, and I believe you can disapprove of others choice to do so. But 1) don't expect them to change just because you said so, and 2) don't get upset when they point out your flaws.
    NHS cost, I don't want to subsidise a fat person, who can loose weight healthily in a year, by them self and self control.
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    (Original post by Jimbo1234)
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    Ok, well clearly you didn't pick up on what I wrote or where I'm going with this.
    If no one chooses to become fat, then it is an accidental byproduct of other actions.
    Now what makes someone become overweight? And no, ill health is no an answer for over 90% of overweight people.

    I never assume fat people are single, just that fat people will never be with someone attractive. Well that 62% is an equal split of men and women, and like attracts like.
    Bit of an assumption. I've seen plenty of fat people with attractive partners, and I've seen fat people who aren't unattractive. I understand that you don't find people fat attractive and that's okay, but not everyone shares the same view. It's like I don't find many fair haired people attractive, does that mean no one does? No.
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    I've never heard anyone say to themselves "I'm going to stuff myself and become fat".

    I don't see your point though.

    See my Edit.

    also why do you assume all fat people are single in some of your posts? I'd say most manage to form meaningful relationships at some point in their life.
    if 62% of the population is fat, it cant be possible that 62% of the adult population is single.
    You may not have heard anyone say it but they have still made a decision to become fat.
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    (Original post by CaptainDudeson)
    You may not have heard anyone say it but they have still made a decision to become fat.
    Whatever you say captain.
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    Whatever you say captain.
    Good girl.
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    (Original post by Jimbo1234)
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    Ok, well clearly you didn't pick up on what I wrote or where I'm going with this.
    If no one chooses to become fat, then it is an accidental byproduct of other actions.
    Now what makes someone become overweight? And no, ill health is no an answer for over 90% of overweight people.

    I never assume fat people are single, just that fat people will never be with someone attractive. Well that 62% is an equal split of men and women, and like attracts like.
    Everything you say is just stupid assumption after stupid assumption. My cousin is overweight and she has an attractive boyfriend. Theyre very happy and have been together for over a year.
    And you did imply in the post that i originally quoted, that if youre fat youre going to be single. Which is BS.
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    (Original post by Iron Lady)
    In the past it used to be a sign of wealth and class to be overweight.
    Sure and now it tends to be a sign of poverty and ignorance, the ability to only live off a diet of frozen pizza and chips.
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    (Original post by Swanbow)
    Sure and now it tends to be a sign of poverty and ignorance, the ability to only live off a diet of frozen pizza and chips.
    You're referring to the vast majority of students, not all of them are fat.

    1. In all seriousness though, if they were living in poverty, I don't think they'd be able to afford pizza or chips.
    2. Some people may like those foods.
    3. If people use it as the easy option, it's up to them to educate and learn different recipes.
    4. It's none of your business what people eat.
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    (Original post by Jimbo1234)
    Are you deliberately being obtuse? :dunce: People who are overweight will have more sick days, will likely be lazier, lack self control, emotional support etc. As I have said, being fat is a unwanted byproduct of another problem. WHy are you in absolute denial about this? Do you honestly think 62% of people said "Hey! lets get fat !"?
    You're generalizing a lot. Their size doesn't necessarily have anything to do with their determination, self control, etc. You have a very silly vendetta against heavier people, get over it.

    Now, how are you defining fat? It's a very loose and subjective term. I don't think people with just a few extra pounds are unable to be successful or honest people.

    Again, you are not reading what I post. We all pay the fine in taxes. Most overweight people will take more from the NHS then they contribute. You keeping up with that?
    Then my suggestion is to make them pay. You keeping up with that?

    How is losing weight not going to benefit them? :rolleyes:
    1. It's not a case of "be slim or die". People come in different shapes and sizes and just because someone is bigger, it doesn't mean they're really that unhealthy.
    2. Forcing people is never beneficial.

    Before you said you where. Why the change in mind?
    :confused: I never said fat, I said big.

    See above.
    No one is perfect, but being overweight shows only very bad qualities. You are warping reality with liberalism. You make out that people are not instinctively affected by becoming fat, that they don't emotionally change etc. They do. Go use google scholar if you want to argue otherwise.
    Someone's size does not show them to have bad qualities. That's laughable reasoning. Again, what do you mean by fat? Slightly big doesn't not mean they're unhealthy like a morbidly obese person, which is taking it to extremes.

    See above. Basing someone on their actions is a pretty damn good idea. Not too is flat out retarded.
    Eating too much for their own gain or satisfaction does not affect you. IF they were rude to you, that's different. They may be nice/honest/hard working and many other positive characteristics, so that's how they should be judged, not if they have too many chocolate bars in their spare time.
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    (Original post by ashleighgiles)
    1. Unfortunately some don't. I'm saying this by experience, as my maternal family has a history of obesity and diabetes, and, funny enough, they are all doctors. I myself am not a "smug nanny" but when someone you know is morbidly obese, knows the issue, but has difficulties controlling their weight and appetite, would you rather help of leave them be?
    For example, a specialist will obviously tell when a person should pay more attention to their diet, because its their job, and in their interest that an individual doesn't end up worse. Of course, the individual doesn't always have to listen to the remarks.
    So the "you're reinforcing the issue and actually making it worse" does not always apply.
    I would only help them if they specifically asked for my help. Otherwise it looks like I'm imposing my ideas of a perfect image on them. But surely, if they knew they had a severe health problems, the inclination to seek help is there. But they just need to ask for it first. People aren't fools, they know when to seek medical action. The individual can only help themselves.
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    Everything you say is just stupid assumption after stupid assumption. My cousin is overweight and she has an attractive boyfriend. Theyre very happy and have been together for over a year.
    And you did imply in the post that i originally quoted, that if youre fat youre going to be single. Which is BS.
    You really need to ask yourself why your cousin has an attractive boyfriend. Is it because he likes her for who she is or is it because he thinks she'll be easier to manipulate into doing anal?
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    (Original post by Iron Lady)
    It's also a sin to bully.
    Who am I bullying?
 
 
 
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