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    Yes, I completely agree the figure is probably more like 5 million and the government must tell us the truth. I checked my figures before I posted and thought it would be easiest to use the lower figures.
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    (Original post by elliottls97)
    Yes, I completely agree the figure is probably more like 5 million and the government must tell us the truth. I checked my figures before I posted and thought it would be easiest to use the lower figures.
    Well we can only guess because those official figures are just that, guesswork.

    I'd say the only reliable figure is how many national insurance numbers you are giving out even then you would be guessing as to how many people come with their partners/children/other family members, it wouldn't include children they have when they get here all things which make the figures higher or when they leave making figures lower.


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    if we are only building 150.000 new homes where are they all living
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    (Original post by jshipman4)
    if we are only building 150.000 new homes where are they all living
    HMO's

    Houses of multiple occupancy.


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    Nothing. (For at least 2 years)
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    The reality is no one knows what would happen if the UK decided to leave - it could boost the economy or it could leave a severe dent and hamper production of the economy. No one knows for certain.
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    (Original post by gladders)
    Would end up being spent on the same stuff (e.g. agriculture), but with more directly partisan decisions being imposed. I fear for British agriculture outside the EU.



    As now. The European Parliament is elected, the Council consists of national governments, and the Commission answers to both.



    What EU regulations would you undo?



    Possibly, but it's a long-term gamble. In the short-to-medium term, it would sting quite a bit.

    I suspect we'd end up agreeing to some subjection to EU law like Switzerland does.
    Switzerland accepts 0% of EU law. It occassionally implements policies for harmonisation purposes, but is not forced to.

    Even if we did end up spending it on same stuff, we'd still have £8.5bn left over.

    Commission has sole legislative authority, no demos can outvote it nor its president. In 1999 all 20 members of Commission resigned due to corruption investigation.

    I'll give you 2 examples of EU regs I'd undo: 1. EU clinical trials directive - slows down creation of new drugs/medicine to treat terrible diseases 2. ECJ judgements on data protection issues which inhibit growth of internet start-ups. Plus, there's the EU's ports' directive, further increases in the EU budget and countless other assertions of Brussels's power to come.
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    Vote Leave wants two referendums, Brexit will be short lived IMO, according to an AIG 2008 report, the EU wants crisis to exploit to further its own powers, expect the upcoming financial crisis, potentially blamed on Brexit to bring about the required reforms/democratization of the EU.
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    (Original post by shazamr)
    Switzerland accepts 0% of EU law. It occassionally implements policies for harmonisation purposes, but is not forced to.
    Consequence-free? No. Switzerland is free to violate the bilateral treaties at any time, but it is clear in those treaties that doing so kicks it out of the Single Market.

    Even if we did end up spending it on same stuff, we'd still have £8.5bn left over.
    And where have you derived that figure from?

    Commission has sole legislative authority, no demos can outvote it nor its president.
    Um, untrue. Parliament and the Council can separately block legislative proposals from the Commission.

    In 1999 all 20 members of Commission resigned due to corruption investigation.
    Cool, eh?

    I'll give you 2 examples of EU regs I'd undo: 1. EU clinical trials directive - slows down creation of new drugs/medicine to treat terrible diseases 2. ECJ judgements on data protection issues which inhibit growth of internet start-ups. Plus, there's the EU's ports' directive, further increases in the EU budget and countless other assertions of Brussels's power to come.
    Cool. Have there been attempts by any UK Governments to undo these, or did they try to stop them at the time they were enacted? (honest question)
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    I don't know but we would probably get one of those Swiss/Norwegian style EU relationships where we still get access to the free market but we have no say in the rules and regulations of that free market and we have to have EU free movement to an extent.
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    (Original post by AxSirlotl)
    I don't know but we would probably get one of those Swiss/Norwegian style EU relationships where we still get access to the free market but we have no say in the rules and regulations of that free market and we have to have EU free movement to an extent.
    We don't have to do any of those things, we have a trade deficit with the EU, we are in the position of power, companies that wish to export to the EU must abide by their regulations, but any EU imports will have to compete with domestic products which are unhindered by regulations, putting pressure on EU companies which then apply pressure to their respective governments to become more competitive.

    In regards to immigration we can decide who we let in, if the EU doesn't like it, again we have a trade deficit and we can apply pressure that way.
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    (Original post by otester)
    Vote Leave wants two referendums, Brexit will be short lived IMO, according to an AIG 2008 report, the EU wants crisis to exploit to further its own powers, expect the upcoming financial crisis, potentially blamed on Brexit to bring about the required reforms/democratization of the EU.

    The current government has said the referendum result will be final, and I can't imagine Labour saying they won't respect the people's choice either, especially with Corbyn at the head. Remember in last year's general election how much time was wasted talking about supply and confidence/coalitions. Just vote for what you believe in this time!.
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    (Original post by Tamora)
    Trade is too important to both sides to let red tape stand in the way.
    You sound like Norman Angell


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    (Original post by james813)
    The current government has said the referendum result will be final, and I can't imagine Labour saying they won't respect the people's choice either, especially with Corbyn at the head. Remember in last year's general election how much time was wasted talking about supply and confidence/coalitions. Just vote for what you believe in this time!.
    I must admire your faith in the LibLabCon...
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    (Original post by otester)
    I must admire your faith in the LibLabCon...

    Haha, not the Liberal Democrats!! But my faith is in democracy buddy.
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    (Original post by james813)
    Haha, not the Liberal Democrats!! But my faith is in democracy buddy.
    History doesn't paint a bright picture of it.
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    We will die
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    Very good speech by Michael Gove on what happens after a Leave vote (around 40')

    http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/...ampaign=buffer
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    Hell will break loose, so it is said. This is where the Mayan calendar ends for Britain.
    We'll just have to wait and see.
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    Would this be likely to have an effect on financial markets? Haven't a majority of the biggest companies in the UK backed the Remain campaign?
 
 
 
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