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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    I'd expect such individuals to be among the first stakeholders to take a keen interest in/have views relating to such malfeasance, wouldn't you? If this went down at my uni I would be mortified!

    Perhaps I'll continue to raise awareness unless/until such institutions apologise, learn the lessons, and mend their ways :top2:
    Hi there,

    You can read the latest statement from the university here: http://www.qmul.ac.uk/media/news/items/smd/181216.html

    Additionally researchers have given their own views on external sites, which may be of interest:https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...s-our-research
    http://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2016/09/22/...igue-syndrome/

    Best,

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    You can read the latest statement from the university here: http://www.qmul.ac.uk/media/news/items/smd/181216.html
    Thanks Jess but I've already read it and am more interested in what the person they've appointed to be their student-community-facing representative has to say on this matter of particular interest

    researchers have given their own views on external sites, which may be of interest:https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...s-our-research
    I'm also aware of this, which is why I tagged your QMUL TSR account in the following response:

    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    Disgraced researcher/lead author, Peter White, has had the audacity to write an article entitled 'If my team’s research on ME is rejected, the patients will suffer', that the Guardian were foolish enough to run! Dear God, is there no limit to the malevolent pride of these cretins? Not one mention of methodology, or ounce of contrition. Arrogance beyond belief. QMUL should be utterly ashamed attempting to cover up and defend this crap, at great cost to their financial stakeholders!
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    (Original post by Queen Mary University of London)
    Hi there,

    You can read the latest statement from the university here: http://www.qmul.ac.uk/media/news/items/smd/181216.html

    Additionally researchers have given their own views on external sites, which may be of interest:https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...s-our-research
    http://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2016/09/22/...igue-syndrome/

    Best,

    Jess
    Thanks, but QMUL's statement is not particularly enlightening. It looks like an attempt to avoid the real issues. Does anyone at QMUL actually understand the details of this issue, or are you still pretending that White can be trusted as an 'expert' and no independent oversight is needed?

    There needs to be an apology for the way QMUL attempted to portray patient critics during the tribunal hearing. QMUL needs to acknowledge the problems with the PACE trial and the way in which results were released. There's been no official acknowledgement that anything went wrong at QMUL, or discussion of what is being changed to ensure that similar problems are not repeated.

    The Guardian piece by White you link to claims that: "The authors got their figures by tweaks such as increasing the pass-grade for what counted as recovery, and excluding patients who had reported themselves as “much better”. "

    That's pretty outrageous seeing as the recovery criteria which showed there was no difference in recovery rates between groups in PACE was the criteria pre-specified in the trial protocol, of which White was a co-author.

    Matthees (the patient who successfully defeated QMUL's £250,000 effort to keep secret results for the PACE trial's pre-specified outcomes) responds to this points and others here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...23363640_30172

    One just needs to see the number of criticism made on pubmed at that link, and on the othe PACE papers (eg: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...23363640_30172 ) that have gone without response from the trial authors to see why people are trying to raise concerns in any way they can.

    While it seems that QMUL and the PACE trial researchers are doing all they can to avoid engaging in any real public discussion or debate with their critics, this is only building up further concern and distrust, and this is now spreading beyond patients through academia. American universities are already using PACE as a case study for teaching students about flawed and spun research.

    Also, when it seems that the problems surrounding the PACE trial reflect institutional problems at QMUL, they seem entirely relevant to any students who may be considering studying there, particularly if they may be interested in studying medicine.

    Peter Tatchell tweeted "Attempt to stigmatise ME/CFS #PACEtrial campaigners reminds me of when I protested aversion therapy for LGBTs".
    This scandal is not going to go away. It needs to be addressed. QMUL needs to apologise to patients and show that it has learnt lessons from what has gone so badly wrong in this case.
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    What do you think are the pros and cons of being a student at QMUL overall and particularly for the medicine course


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    Hi is a ukcat score of 657 competetive enough for an international applicant?
    Hi there,

    I think that's good enough! As long as your other academic stats are up to scratch, you definitely stand a chance.

    Barts love,
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    Hi there,

    I think that's good enough! As long as your other academic stats are up to scratch, you definitely stand a chance.

    Barts love,
    Will
    Does the AS grade make an impact ??
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    There has just been anew article on the PACE trial scandal published, and it mentions the way that the researchers are running from their critics:

    Levin, Davis, Racaniello, and I are currently seeking additional PACE trial data under the U.K.’s freedom of information law. Queen Mary University of London turned down our request, and we have appealed. Meanwhile, the PACE principal investigators — White, Sharpe and Chalder — did not answer multiple email requests seeking comment for this article. Neither did Richard Horton, editor of The Lancet.
    http://undark.org/article/chronic-fa...exercise-pace/

    Tuller also mentions how, along with others, he thinks that PACE could be a valuable example scientific wrongdoing:

    As it stands, the direct cause, or causes, of ME/CFS remain largely unknown, and there is no definitive treatment. But as I investigated the PACE trial — with its promotion of exercise and increased activity as the path to “recovery” from the disorder — I came to view it as a powerful case study of scientific wrongdoing. Thanks to the incisive analyses of some very smart patients and advocates, I gradually understood how deeply flawed it was and how much harm it was causing. I knew it needed to be publicly and authoritatively discredited.
    Is QMUL learning lessons from all of this? Or is it continuing to try to pretend that there is no problem here, so the same mistakes can go on being made over and over again?

    It is important that poor research practices are not taught to students as an acceptable part of modern medical research. Reading the PhD thesis of some students raises concern that they are being indoctrinated into quackery, rather than genuinely educated.
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    When i apply for medicine i'll be 17 by the time i start the course. Am i to young to do medicine at Barts and london?
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    Hi there!

    Just a quick question.
    Which uni is a good choice do you think for PhD in Applied linguistics, Queen Mary(4 years)or Essex(3 years)?!

    Many thanks,
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    What do you think are the pros and cons of being a student at QMUL overall and particularly for the medicine course


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    Hi there,

    Thanks for the great question and sorry for the delay in getting back to you!

    Some of the best aspects of being a student at QMUL relate to it's great location. Barts and The London has two main campuses with accommodation, one in Whitechapel and one at Charterhouse Square in Barbican. It's an amazing opportunity to be able to live and be a student in such a vibrant part of London. Other great things about Barts & The London are a very active student union, a really friendly and supportive learning environment, great resources and some very inspirational teachers!

    As for cons, it's hard to say. The cost of living in London is the biggest concern for incoming students but this is very manageable in my experience. There are lots of ways to make living in London affordable such as cycling, budgeting affectively and maybe even part time work!

    Please let me know if you have any more questions!

    Barts love,
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    (Original post by PrincessBO$$)
    When i apply for medicine i'll be 17 by the time i start the course. Am i to young to do medicine at Barts and london?
    Hi there,

    Here's an exert from the admissions policy with regards to minimum age: 'All students must be at least 18 years old at the start of the course'. Sorry about this but please apply next year instead!

    Barts love,
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    (Original post by JustLinguistics)
    Hi there!

    Just a quick question.
    Which uni is a good choice do you think for PhD in Applied linguistics, Queen Mary(4 years)or Essex(3 years)?!

    Many thanks,
    Hi there,

    I wish I knew about Applied Linguistics but this is a thread about Undergraduate Medicine. I'll have a shot in the dark and say QMUL is the best

    Barts love,
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    (Original post by Queen Mary University of London)
    Hi there,

    I wish I knew about Applied Linguistics but this is a thread about Undergraduate Medicine. I'll have a shot in the dark and say QMUL is the best.

    Barts love,
    Will
    Hi does the AS grade have an impact ?
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    Hey is it pretty much 9-5 everyday? Also I've heard there are lots of different locations so do you have to travel between different locations everyday for lectures and tutorials? Which locations do med/dent students spend time in? (Could you list all the locations and what they all are for) Are lecturers good at explaining things? Finally how much of your final mark is based on the final exam at the end of the year? Sorry for all the questions but I'm an international applicant and haven't been able to visit the uni.

    Also someone mentioned interprofessional learning. Do you have leactures with students on different courses like dentistry or pharmacy all the time?
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    (Original post by Queen Mary University of London)
    Hi! My name is Will and I am currently a third year undergraduate medical student at QMUL's medical school, Barts and The London.

    This thread is your opportunity to ask a current Barts student (me) about either the undergraduate or postgraduate courses at QMUL. Feel free to ask me about any aspect of the Medicine course including the curriculum, teaching methods and locations, clinical teaching or extra-curricular activities like sports teams and academic societies. I can also give you the latest on either of our medical school campuses including accommodation and facilities.

    Barts love,
    Will

    Hey is it pretty much 9-5 everyday? Also I've heard there are lots of different locations so do you have to travel between different locations everyday for lectures and tutorials? Which locations do med/dent students spend time in? (Could you list all the locations and what they all are for) Are lecturers good at explaining things? Finally how much of your final mark is based on the final exam at the end of the year? Sorry for all the questions but I'm an international applicant and haven't been able to visit the uni.

    Also someone mentioned interprofessional learning. Do you have leactures with students on different courses like dentistry or pharmacy all the time?
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    Hi does the AS grade have an impact ?
    Hi there,

    Given the new A-level system, it will vary depending on when you took your A-levels. Have a read of all of the entry requirements here: http://www.smd.qmul.ac.uk/undergradu...100/index.html

    Barts love,
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    Aside from being up to date with medical news/developments and knowing your personal statement well, is there anything you would recommend for preparing for interviews?

    Thanks
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    (Original post by sciencekid)
    Hey is it pretty much 9-5 everyday? Also I've heard there are lots of different locations so do you have to travel between different locations everyday for lectures and tutorials? Which locations do med/dent students spend time in? (Could you list all the locations and what they all are for) Are lecturers good at explaining things? Finally how much of your final mark is based on the final exam at the end of the year? Sorry for all the questions but I'm an international applicant and haven't been able to visit the uni.

    Also someone mentioned interprofessional learning. Do you have leactures with students on different courses like dentistry or pharmacy all the time?
    Hi there, thanks for all the great questions!

    Is it 9-5 every day? No - thankfully! In your first two years lectures, PBLs and practical sessions will be spaced throughout the day but not all days are 9-5. everyone gets Wednesday off! When you get beyond 2nd year, you're on placements all day so it's pretty much 9-5 apart from Wednesday.

    There are 3 different campuses: one in West Smithfield, one in Whitechapel and the QMUL Campus in Mile End. These aren't vary far apart and most of your time in pre-clinical years is spent in Whitechapel so there isn't too much travelling about. Both the West Smithfield and Whitechapel campuses are for Medicine, Dentistry and some other medical related BSc teaching. Whitechapel contains the Perrin lecture theatre for most of your pre-clinical lectures, the Garrod Building for PBL and one of the halls of residence, Floyer House. West Smithfield is the site of Barts Hospital and is just around the corner for Charterhouse Square which contains one of the Halls of residence, Dawson Hall as well as some research institutions.

    Overall, lecturers at Barts & The London are fantastic. There are a handful of regular lecturers who give most of the basic science lectures and these are very good. If you have any issues with content you don't understand, it's very easy to contact the lecturer for clarification.

    So for the 'final mark', I assume you are referring to ranking which is what contributes to FPAS, the system used to rank medical students around the country when allocating foundation (junior doctor) jobs. This is actually quite a complicated system as there are multiple 'papers', each of which contains different assessments throughout the course. Only one of these papers contains the end of year exams and others contain aspects such as student selected components (SSC) and in course assessments (ICAs). More information on the FPAS can be found here: http://www.foundationprogramme.nhs.u...dical-students

    As for your final question, I don't think we have any lectures with non-medicine students.

    I hope this helps!

    Barts love,
    Will
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    Hi there!

    Just a quick question.
    Which uni is a good choice do you think for PhD in Applied linguistics, Queen Mary(4 years)or Essex(3 years)?!

    Many thanks,


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    Aside from being up to date with medical news/developments and knowing your personal statement well, is there anything you would recommend for preparing for interviews?

    Thanks
    Hi there, that's a great question.

    The interviewers at Barts don't expect you to be a scientist yet. They want to know you can become a good doctor. I recommend that you have something prepared to talk about which you have a genuine interest in and then find a way to talk about it. Whether this is an aspect of medicine or science or another academic interest, it will give you the opportunity to display enthusiasm - a trait that goes a very long way in Medicine. The interviews are quite relaxed in comparison to other medical schools so you should use this to your advantage. Don't be boring.

    Best of luck and hopefully we'll see you in September!

    Barts love,
    Will
 
 
 
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