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    (Original post by HanSoloLuck)
    It shows many different races comparatively. Along with gender segregation, it shows that, for example, higher income blacks do worse than lower income whites.

    SAT scores was the only data I could find that took into account both IQ, requiring estimation for translation, and income.

    You are asking for data that doesn't exist, but all the available data has shown that there is a racially correlated IQ difference. You might want to reject the position based on conclusive data that pertains to socioeconomic status, but you are playing a paradoxical game.

    Does socioeconomic status predetermine IQ, or does IQ determine socioeconomic status.

    It seems reasonable to assert that in a capitalist society which we live poor demographics that can achieve a better position do. The Irish for example were treated akin to slaves in America, as were the Chinese, both demographics have a higher than average IQ in America now.
    In a pattern shown worldwide, black demographics have not been able to. The evidence seems undeniable to my eyes.

    IQ is hereditary, not my fault the world works this way.
    Yea, because you're a racist who wants this to be true.
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    (Original post by ohgeez)
    IQ is ********. The only thing that matters in life for a man is how big your **** is and how good you can dance. Everything else is peripheral.
    I would happily trade my IQ for a bbc.

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    (Original post by HanSoloLuck)
    I never contested this, and it's an argument from authority. The right answer or position is not predicated on how many people in the thread disagree with you.
    What is an "argument from authority"? Yours?




    What point haven't I responded to
    A number of posts talking about the validity of IQ testing, the IQ score and therefore the validity of any argument that is based on using IQ to make judgements about races of people.






    Which information have I denied to accept because of my bias.
    See above.
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    (Original post by HanSoloLuck)
    It shows many different races comparatively. Along with gender segregation, it shows that, for example, higher income blacks do worse than lower income whites.

    SAT scores was the only data I could find that took into account both IQ, requiring estimation for translation, and income.

    You are asking for data that doesn't exist, but all the available data has shown that there is a racially correlated IQ difference. You might want to reject the position based on conclusive data that pertains to socioeconomic status, but you are playing a paradoxical game.

    Does socioeconomic status predetermine IQ, or does IQ determine socioeconomic status.

    It seems reasonable to assert that in a capitalist society which we live poor demographics that can achieve a better position do. The Irish for example were treated akin to slaves in America, as were the Chinese, both demographics have a higher than average IQ in America now.
    In a pattern shown worldwide, black demographics have not been able to. The evidence seems undeniable to my eyes.

    IQ is hereditary, not my fault the world works this way.
    Question: On a day to day basis, do you assume that you have superior intelligence to every black person you come across due to these findings?

    Second Question: Do these findings mean that black people should be discriminated against in the job market and in education because we are dumber than everyone else? Should black people on power be stripped of their posts so they don't **** things up?

    Third Question: Do you agree with this statement? 'Recent summaries of the debate call for more research into the topic to determine the relative contributions of environmental and genetic factors in explaining the apparent IQ disparity among racial groups'

    I ask because the first time these tests were taken it lead to the mass maltreatment and segregation of blacks in American society which gave rise to the civil rights movement.
    If it is in fact true that this is purely genetic I'd like to have the peace of mind that I won't be discriminated against.
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    the article is racist and more than a few people in this thread (and TSR in general) are also racist.

    so much for the racial progress of the 60s and 70s, eh?
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    In all honesty If I had any position of power and was hiring someone who came to the interview and said Ay man wassup I am looking for a job I would turn him away immediately regardless of race. same with the people who say Axe instead of ask.
    Speak properly or get out.
    What about an irish accent?

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    (Original post by StrawbAri)
    Question: On a day to day basis, do you assume that you have superior intelligence to every black person you come across due to these findings?
    Hadn't thought about it, I tend to treat people as individuals and on a relatively even ground regardless of race.

    Being said, the majority of blacks I have met, not all, have fit the negative stereotypes.

    The data on black demographics is pretty hard to escape or brush over, my opinion is based in facts and evidence not personal experience or bias. The IQ difference is real, it correlates with race and it explains all of this apologetic nonsense, it has evidence to back it up, it follows logical reasoning.

    To accept that socioeconomic status played such a huge factor is paradoxical, every group everywhere in the world started off poor, only black societies stay that way. The counter arguments are all completely unfalsifiable and unprovable.
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    (Original post by HanSoloLuck)
    To accept that socioeconomic status played such a huge factor is paradoxical, every group everywhere in the world started off poor, only black societies stay that way. The counter arguments are all completely unfalsifiable and unprovable.
    OK. So you think white people are smarter than black people ? So let's say you are smarter than me or any black person ? Since you want to believe this so much, I'll give it to you. You are smarter than any black man or women alive.

    Happy now ?

    So taken your argument a step further than means, we have lots of black people who are by nature not very smart

    So what is your solution ? What should be done ? The doing part.
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    (Original post by HanSoloLuck)
    Hadn't thought about it, I tend to treat people as individuals and on a relatively even ground regardless of race.

    Being said, the majority of blacks I have met, not all, have fit the negative stereotypes.

    The data on black demographics is pretty hard to escape or brush over, my opinion is based in facts and evidence not personal experience or bias. The IQ difference is real, it correlates with race and it explains all of this apologetic nonsense, it has evidence to back it up, it follows logical reasoning.

    To accept that socioeconomic status played such a huge factor is paradoxical, every group everywhere in the world started off poor, only black societies stay that way. The counter arguments are all completely unfalsifiable and unprovable.
    So you are saying that, never mind coming up with all our inventions, the blacks are of course too stupid to invent these things, but they are even too stupid to use them?

    The irony is you talk about logical reasoning and evidence, and bias, and yet you are the one selecting the "evidence" that suits your racist opinions best.
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    (Original post by TrueDetective01)
    Shouldn't this serve as motivation for blacks to prove this banker otherwise? As usual, people on here are getting emotional for no reason
    Why should minorities have to work to prove people wrong?His logic and reasoning is narrow and racist
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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    In America the most highly educated group is the African immigrants. So yeah, that banker hasn't a clue what he is talking about.
    Slightly misleading statistic, considering native-born African-Americans are the second-least (after Hispanics) educated group. Even more so, considering there are far more native-born blacks than immigrants.

    At the end of the day, we either recognise that educational attainment mostly comes from socio-economic status rather than intelligence, or we ignore it. You can't have your cake and eat it.
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    (Original post by inhuman)
    So you are saying that, never mind coming up with all our inventions, the blacks are of course too stupid to invent these things, but they are even too stupid to use them?

    The irony is you talk about logical reasoning and evidence, and bias, and yet you are the one selecting the "evidence" that suits your racist opinions best.
    Well no, you are trying to reinterpret what I said and inject bias on my part, you are adding a motive to try and discredit my points. Can't you see that ?

    Stop trying to read between the lines and just read what I'm typing lol.

    Also motives can be wrong, but the conclusion can be right, this tactic is so childishly naive.

    If a racist says 2 + 2 = 4, is this person wrong because he is racist. I have explained quite expansively why I hold my position, and all I have had in return are insults and nonsense apologetics that are completely transparent.
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    (Original post by HanSoloLuck)
    Well no, you are trying to reinterpret what I said and inject bias on my part, you are adding a motive to try and discredit my points. Can't you see that ?

    Stop trying to read between the lines and just read what I'm typing lol.

    Also motives can be wrong, but the conclusion can be right, this tactic is so childishly naive.

    If a racist says 2 + 2 = 4, is this person wrong because he is racist. I have explained quite expansively why I hold my position, and all I have had in return are insults and nonsense apologetics that are completely transparent.
    Where have I insulted you, other than calling you a racist?

    Multiple people on here have over and over tried to explain to you why your "evidence" is flawed, yet you refuse to accept that.

    http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

    Here, go sue Nicolas Cage for celebrating his movies by drowning people. The evidence is overwhelming, stats don't lie.
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    definitely racist. no question about it. FULL STOP.
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    (Original post by HanSoloLuck)
    Well no, you are trying to reinterpret what I said and inject bias on my part, you are adding a motive to try and discredit my points. Can't you see that ?

    Stop trying to read between the lines and just read what I'm typing lol.

    Also motives can be wrong, but the conclusion can be right, this tactic is so childishly naive.

    If a racist says 2 + 2 = 4, is this person wrong because he is racist. I have explained quite expansively why I hold my position, and all I have had in return are insults and nonsense apologetics that are completely transparent.
    How about “White people?”

    They are certainly less genetically diverse than Blacks, but they obviously have genetic variance between say… Scandinavians and Italians or Anglo Saxons and Spaniards… but evidently, those genetic differences are somehow never linked to intelligence ?

    How convienent.

    Nope you don't wants to theorize on which group of White people are the least intelligent. That is only used for talking about black people. Right ?

    Who are the genetically dumber and disadvantaged Whites ? If there is enough genetic difference for white people to have different hair color, eye color and different average height, then why not intelligence ?

    The answer is because this is not science, it’s politics and to ask that question does not serve the political goals of racist Whites. You don’t want to face the idea that you might belong to the dumbest group of white people in your little hierarchy, so you theorize that “Whiteness” simply makes all Whites just as capable, and all Blacks equally disadvantaged.
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    Regardless of race your potential to be great is always there. Fair enough, it may be harder for some because of circumstance so it's important to put things into context . But by no means should one person or group of a particular race be representative for the entire race. Everyone is their own person and should be defined by their character within than their outer appearance. Finally, if there's a problem it's best to try solve it than try to justify it.
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    (Original post by inhuman)
    Where have I insulted you, other than calling you a racist?

    Multiple people on here have over and over tried to explain to you why your "evidence" is flawed, yet you refuse to accept that.

    http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

    Here, go sue Nicolas Cage for celebrating his movies by drowning people. The evidence is overwhelming, stats don't lie.
    Eh, fine whatever. Shoulda seen that coming. You got nothing so begin talking about Nicolas Cage like that other guy, what exactly does that link have to do with anything. I am on my phone and can't open it.
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    (Original post by Mr...)
    Why should minorities have to work to prove people wrong?His logic and reasoning is narrow and racist
    Yeah, minorities shouldn't have to work !!

    That guy is such a racist.
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    (Original post by HanSoloLuck)
    Eh, fine whatever. Shoulda seen that coming. You got nothing so begin talking about Nicolas Cage like that other guy, what exactly does that link have to do with anything. I am on my phone and can't open it.
    It is evidence that Nicolas Cage drowns people in pools after every movie he makes.

    There are others in there. It also shows that doctors of civil engineering celebrate their graduation by eating mozzarella.
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    Source?

    You're racist too since you've also managed to generalise an entire race.
    Lol, and all these links arent even the tip of the iceberg.

    http://www.hackney.gov.uk/Assets/Doc...uth-safety.pdf

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...yed-britain-us

    http://www.parliament.uk/documents/post/postpn276.pdf

    http://lambethcollaborative.org.uk/w...-June-2014.pdf

    http://www.centreforsocialjustice.or...erimReport.pdf

    http://www.poverty.org.uk/06/index.shtml

    http://www.asanet.org/images/press/d...ARaceCrime.pdf

    https://www.press.umich.edu/pdf/9780472068319-ch4.pdf

    http://www.aft.org/sites/default/fil...als/Wilson.pdf

    https://www.jrf.org.uk/sites/default...ce-summary.pdf

    https://www.jrf.org.uk/sites/default...place-full.pdf

    http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files.../Race-2007.pdf

    http://www.poverty.org.uk/reports/ethnicity.pdf
 
 
 
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