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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    On a similar topic - will repeating the year put me at a disadvantage when it comes to external applications for BSc's (I'm on a 6yr course and have to intercalate) and future job prospects? I am 2 years behind my cohort as I took a gap year and then repeated.

    Also if I do apply for external BSc's / research placements etc. do I need to declare failing the year?

    The year I repeated doesn't count towards the final degree for FPAS, just need to pass it to progress further.

    Thanks
    Similar reply to what I posted above. You don't need to explicitly declare it but it will be obvious from the transcript and/or CV. The two years behind in themselves don't matter though.
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    (Original post by Beska)
    Similar reply to what I posted above. You don't need to explicitly declare it but it will be obvious from the transcript and/or CV. The two years behind in themselves don't matter though.
    Thanks very much for your reply!
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    Does anyone know if failing a first year med school exam will hinder you in your career/applying for intercerlated degrees?
    At my medical school if you failed the year in year 1 or 2 and were required to resit you would be unlikely to get an internal BSc place, but it varies by medical school.


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    Just wanted opinions/advice on an odd situation from placement.

    A senior doctor was reviewing a patient on take, meeting them for the first time, with a junior doctor, patient's spouse and other students in the patient's side room. Senior did a history/exam and then recommended a treatment. Patient asks "is there any other option?" senior replies "Yes, you can pray. Do you have faith? Can I pray for you?" Patient agrees that the senior can, presumably thinking they'd add it to their list of people to pray for in whatever that senior's normal religious routine is.

    The senior then lays their hands on the patients shoulders, bows their head, and as if they were the pope starts whispering thinks like "heavenly father, please take away this patient's [name of illness], amen".I thought that was a bit odd and felt very uncomfortable.

    We later see another patient, and similar situation "heavenly father please take this patient's cancer away". Patient is discharged, no rx needed, but the senior says quite seriously "but you must go home and read the gospel" "it's important that you accept Jesus and the father into your heart" even though the patient was complaining they were really tired and wanted to go to bed as soon as they got in.I'm hesitant to report it because this senior was a lovely teacher, but that's not on is it?
    I remember when I was in A&E a few months ago for something, the nurse there told me to pray about my condition. I am religious myself but even then, I felt quite uncomfortable tbh. I'd never do that.
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    Just read through a thread of school students and HCAs comparing medicine to A-level Biology on steroids only requiring memorisation; and suggesting that a minority of doctors having decent clinical and social skills. Kmt.

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    I remember when I was in A&E a few months ago for something, the nurse there told me to pray about my condition. I am religious myself but even then, I felt quite uncomfortable tbh. I'd never do that.
    Probs just assumed you were Muslim cos of how you look mate.
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    Just read through a thread of school students and HCAs comparing medicine to A-level Biology on steroids only requiring memorisation; and suggesting that a minority of doctors having decent clinical and social skills. Kmt.



    Probs just assumed you were Muslim cos of how you look mate.
    Ha, or my name
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    (Original post by usycool1)
    Ha, or my name
    Both put together.
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    (Original post by Hype en Ecosse)
    Both put together.
    Also, how come you have Clearing and Applications Advisor next to your username still? What a fraud.
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    (Original post by usycool1)
    Also, how come you have Clearing and Applications Advisor next to your username still? What a fraud.
    Cause I'm still an invaluable asset. I deserve it. xoxo
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    (Original post by Hype en Ecosse)
    Just read through a thread of school students and HCAs comparing medicine to A-level Biology on steroids only requiring memorisation; and suggesting that a minority of doctors having decent clinical and social skills. Kmt.
    Even if that were the case, this year has taught me that my ability to remember useless facts for longer than 30 minutes is nigh on non-existent. Memorisation is hard!
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    (Original post by MJK91)
    Even if that were the case, this year has taught me that my ability to remember useless facts for longer than 30 minutes is nigh on non-existent. Memorisation is hard!
    Oh I'm superb at remembering useless facts, it's the useful stuff I struggle to remember!


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    (Original post by usycool1)
    I remember when I was in A&E a few months ago for something, the nurse there told me to pray about my condition. I am religious myself but even then, I felt quite uncomfortable tbh. I'd never do that.
    Wonder what would happen if I declare myself Pastafarian and start praying to the almighty Flying Spaghetti Monster at that point
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    Just wanted opinions/advice on an odd situation from placement.

    A senior doctor was reviewing a patient on take, meeting them for the first time, with a junior doctor, patient's spouse and other students in the patient's side room. Senior did a history/exam and then recommended a treatment. Patient asks "is there any other option?" senior replies "Yes, you can pray. Do you have faith? Can I pray for you?" Patient agrees that the senior can, presumably thinking they'd add it to their list of people to pray for in whatever that senior's normal religious routine is.

    The senior then lays their hands on the patients shoulders, bows their head, and as if they were the pope starts whispering thinks like "heavenly father, please take away this patient's [name of illness], amen".I thought that was a bit odd and felt very uncomfortable.

    We later see another patient, and similar situation "heavenly father please take this patient's cancer away". Patient is discharged, no rx needed, but the senior says quite seriously "but you must go home and read the gospel" "it's important that you accept Jesus and the father into your heart" even though the patient was complaining they were really tired and wanted to go to bed as soon as they got in.I'm hesitant to report it because this senior was a lovely teacher, but that's not on is it?
    What is your aim if you were to report it? Did he force anyone to pray with him? Did he forcefully pray for anyone? If it made you feel uncomfortable, you could have very easily excused yourself. I'm pretty sure he didn't ask you to be part of the prayers did he? The patients in question wanted the prayers. The senior doctor in question did ask if they would like him to pray with them. I don't see what the fuss is about.
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    (Original post by Bunicornaces)
    What is your aim if you were to report it? Did he force anyone to pray with him? Did he forcefully pray for anyone? If it made you feel uncomfortable, you could have very easily excused yourself. I'm pretty sure he didn't ask you to be part of the prayers did he? The patients in question wanted the prayers. The senior doctor in question did ask if they would like him to pray with them. I don't see what the fuss is about.
    Did you miss the bit about it all being instigated by the doctor and not solicited by the patients? :confused:
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    (Original post by Bunicornaces)
    What is your aim if you were to report it? Did he force anyone to pray with him? Did he forcefully pray for anyone? If it made you feel uncomfortable, you could have very easily excused yourself. I'm pretty sure he didn't ask you to be part of the prayers did he? The patients in question wanted the prayers. The senior doctor in question did ask if they would like him to pray with them. I don't see what the fuss is about.
    Well, they could have just been saying yes to be polite rather than actually wanting the prayers. It's bad practice imo - personal religious beliefs shouldn't come into how patients are treated. I remember how uncomfortable I felt when I was a patient in that situation.
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    (Original post by usycool1)
    Well, they could have just been saying yes to be polite rather than actually wanting the prayers. It's bad practice imo - personal religious beliefs shouldn't come into how patients are treated. I remember how uncomfortable I felt when I was a patient in that situation.
    Did the patient receive poor treatment though? Was the patient's medical treatment any different?

    I think we are too quick to separate religion and religious beliefs from medicine. And I am saying that as a non believer. (Always need that disclaimer) Doctors and patients alike have different belief systems. We are only human after all.

    We don't know what kind of relationship the doctor had with the patient before. Maybe faith came up in previous times. And they realised they had shared belief.

    It sucks that this person felt uncomfortable, but it was a moment between the doctor treating the patient and the patient themselves +/- the family.
    Again, stating as a non believer.
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    Did the patient receive poor treatment though? Was the patient's medical treatment any different?

    I think we are too quick to separate religion and religious beliefs from medicine. And I am saying that as a non believer. (Always need that disclaimer) Doctors and patients alike have different belief systems. We are only human after all.

    We don't know what kind of relationship the doctor had with the patient before. Maybe faith came up in previous times. And they realised they had shared belief.

    It sucks that this person felt uncomfortable, but it was a moment between the doctor treating the patient and the patient themselves +/- the family.
    Again, stating as a non believer.
    Fair enough - I can see what you're saying :yy: I assumed it was the first time they met. *
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    (Original post by Newtothis83)
    Did the patient receive poor treatment though? Was the patient's medical treatment any different?
    Isn't that the sort of argument used to defend less than compassionate doctors? We don't just take into account patient outcomes from a medical perspective; their overall experience is likely to influence their future willingness to be seen by doctors, and of course they'll tell other people.

    Unless the patient explicitly asks you first to pray for them, its inappropriate in my opinion.
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    (Original post by Democracy)
    Did you miss the bit about it all being instigated by the doctor and not solicited by the patients? :confused:
    So what?
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    (Original post by usycool1)
    Well, they could have just been saying yes to be polite rather than actually wanting the prayers. It's bad practice imo - personal religious beliefs shouldn't come into how patients are treated. I remember how uncomfortable I felt when I was a patient in that situation.
    How did you reach the conclusion that the doctor praying with the patient somehow equates his personal beliefs coming into how he treats the patient? Once again, I do not understand what the fuss is all about. I don't understand why prayers should make anyone uncomfortable, but if it did, it's as easy as saying, "please don't pray for/with me". Reasons do not even have to be given. I do not think it is in any way inappropriate.
 
 
 
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