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    (Original post by TheAtaKhan)
    17 Police officers reported to be martys while fighting with coup forces.
    Hi, what's your opinion on the election in November? Was it rigged?
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    When international condemnations (esp US) come rolling in. You know it is over.
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    (Original post by AlifunArnab)
    Too early to tell, but Alhamdulillah the situation is looking better.

    Also, very interesting to see how many people on this forum advocate democracy yet are supporting the coup.
    Democracy is only good when the Muslims aren't voted in. Didn't you know
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    (Original post by Reue)
    and yet you blindly pasted it
    Well I suppose you can't trust twitter news sources :getmecoat:
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    (Original post by IdeasForLife)
    Democracy is only good when the Muslims aren't in charge
    "Islamists", not "Muslims". Sadat, ex president of Egypt, was Muslim and he started the peace treaty with Israel after a coup, so it sometimes works good.
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    New reports, an Army helicopter has killed 17 police officers at the Police Special Forces HQ outside Ankara.

    The claims by some loyalist commanders that this is a tiny faction is simply not credible. To undertake an operation of this magnitude requires a lot of logistics, a lot of officers to be involved. If the Army was so solidly behind Erdogan then this wouldn't have happened in the first place
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    (Original post by Al-farhan)
    When international condemnations (esp US) come rolling in. You know it is over.
    Well, it was never over for Al-Sisi was it?
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    (Original post by Scrappy-coco)
    Hi, what's your opinion on the election in November? Was it rigged?
    Most of it was not. you can see it by citizens now flooding into national TV HQ which coup military occupied until now. People took it back. It was the "will" of fooled people. People are manipulated and fooled by Erdogan's propoganda. Coups are only giving Erdogan and their ideology more and more propoganda power.
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    (Original post by oShahpo)
    "Islamists", not "Muslims". Sadat, ex president of Egypt, was Muslim and he started the peace treaty with Israel after a coup, so it sometimes works good.
    Nope, normal practicing Muslims*

    Call them what you want in an attempt to disassociate them from their religion but I know my religion better than you thanks.
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    (Original post by oShahpo)
    Well, it was never over for Al-Sisi was it?
    The difference being Sisi had/has ruthless security personnel that won't think twice about using force to subdue the will of the people.
    While the Turkish military (and that is very commendable) are not so eager to kill their people. You can literally watch on news the personnel retreating when facing the mass protests rather than firing on their people.
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    (Original post by IdeasForLife)
    Nope, normal practicing Muslims*

    Call them what you want in an attempt to disassociate them from their religion but I know my religion better than you thanks.
    What you're saying doesn't make sense, you can be a normal practicing secular Muslim. Islamists are those which try to apply Islam politically, which then poison politics. You can be a normal practicing Muslim and still hold liberal values or whatever values you want, as long as you follow the 5 pillars.
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    (Original post by oShahpo)
    What you're saying doesn't make sense, you can be a normal practicing secular Muslim. Islamists are those which try to apply Islam politically, which then poison politics. You can be a normal practicing Muslim and still hold liberal values or whatever values you want, as long as you follow the 5 pillars.
    Secular Muslim is an oxymoron.

    No sorry, you have a really bad understanding of Islam.
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    (Original post by Al-farhan)
    The difference being Sisi had/has ruthless security personnel that won't think twice about using force to subdue the will of the people.
    While the Turkish military (and that is very commendable) are not so eager to kill their people. You can literally watch on news the personnel retreating when facing the mass protests rather than firing on their people.
    We'll see how it all pans out.
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    So did a helicopter get shot down by a fighter jet?
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    (Original post by IdeasForLife)
    Secular Muslim is an oxymoron.
    No it isn't. A Muslim by definition, is defined as such for following the 5 pillars of Islam, none of which are in contradiction with secular/liberal values. So you can indeed be a secular Muslim, maybe not a pious Muslim, but still Muslim.
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    (Original post by oShahpo)
    We'll see how it all pans out.
    Yep that is all we can do.
    I hope these soldiers keep their brains on and not shoot their people.
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    (Original post by Trapz99)
    So did a helicopter get shot down by a fighter jet?
    According to reports.
    Nothing verifiable.
    Just reports so far.
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    (Original post by IdeasForLife)

    No sorry, you have a really bad understanding of Islam.
    What an argument, I am defeated by all your different points refuting my argument. You make me feel humbled, O great debater.
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    (Original post by oShahpo)
    No it isn't. A Muslim by definition, is defined as such for following the 5 pillars of Islam, none of which are in contradiction with secular/liberal values. So you can indeed be a secular Muslim, maybe not a pious Muslim, but still Muslim.
    You can keep the discussion on Islam to Islamic threads. This is about the coup attempt at Turkey.
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    (Original post by Trapz99)
    So did a helicopter get shot down by a fighter jet?
    Yes, follow this link for updates, it updates every few minutes with latest news.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-36811357
 
 
 
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