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    (Original post by greeneyedgirl)
    I think for me the thing is I watch VERY few TV series, so finding something I previously enjoyed become less enjoyable over the past two series and now not creating much enjoyment at all is sad :sad:
    I agree. The writing is inconsistent, it was excellent in the 50th anniversary, there felt like no attention to detail in this one, as if it was rushed.


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    I just watched the repeat on BBC3 ... I thought Clara and 11's last scene was heartbreaking, the music from 'Rings' and everything, it was so sad :bawling:

    And I did really, really warm to Clara in this episode. She was much more likeable.
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    (Original post by Feefifofum)
    I think we're all suffering from this a bit:



    I was a little disappointed by Capaldi's entry, but I am reserving judgement until we actually see him in action. It's really not fair to judge him based on about 3 lines of dialogue, while he was still wearing the previous Doctor's costume. I hated Smith's entry after Tennant regenerated, but his character took shape properly in the Eleventh Hour. I'm guessing we'll get the same thing with Capaldi - once he gets a chance to develop his own version of the Doctor, then I'll make up my mind whether I like his interpretation or not.
    This isn't what happened with Matt Smith because I thought He was decent in his first scene and was the best doctor ever after the first episode and I wanted David Tennant to leave before The End of Time because although He was good it was time for a change but it was nowhere near time for Matt Smith to go and Matt Smith showed how He had the ability to play the Doctor until He was really old in The Time of the Doctor so We could have had him for 50 years or something.
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    (Original post by Dalek1099)
    This isn't what happened with Matt Smith because I thought He was decent in his first scene and was the best doctor ever after the first episode and I wanted David Tennant to leave before The End of Time because although He was good it was time for a change but it was nowhere near time for Matt Smith to go and Matt Smith showed how He had the ability to play the Doctor until He was really old in The Time of the Doctor so We could have had him for 50 years or something.
    you wouldn't get bored of 50 years of Matt Smith? :rolleyes:

    there's a reason we keep getting new Doctors and companions...
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    (Original post by Rascacielos)
    He had a chance to act: it was a fair amount of screen time. David Tennant and Matt Smith both managed it, so I don't see why Peter Capaldi shouldn't be expected to. The kidney joke was about as funny as my grandma's socks.

    Just my initial thoughts; I'm happy to be proved wrong.
    Was there a joke?He said that he has new kidneys and doesn't know what the colour is:confused:I thought that the Doctor shouldn't have just said "Do you know how to fly this thing" because He should have at least said "Ah The Tardis its crashing now I think I need to press these buttons here I think but I'm not quite aure how to fly this thing".I really felt that Peter Capaldi's Doctor just seemed to be a drunk idiot rather than the Doctor.When the other new doctors came in He still felt like the Doctor this one doesn't-It seems as if He is an impostor.
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    (Original post by Robbie242)
    you wouldn't get bored of 50 years of Matt Smith? :rolleyes:

    there's a reason we keep getting new Doctors and companions...
    Its because he actors keep leaving.The actors should be showing more commitment to the show, in other American Sci-Fis the lead characters stay for the full 7 years until the show reaches its climax and would probably have stayed for a lot more years and they have to do double the amount of episodes.

    I think the actors can get a bit greedy because most people have to stay in the same job all thier life 9 to 5 in a boring, hard job and the Doctor Who actors claim that it is the best experience ever and then they leave after a couple of years, they should follow on from the inspiration of William Hartnell who would have stayed many more years doing double the amount of episodes if it wasn't for his ill health and Colin Baker who wanted to be in longer than Tom Baker but was sacked.Matt Smith's excuse was pretty lame that He might never stop if He just continued to do one year after another when He has only done 4 years(3 series) nowhere near Tom Baker yet so that explanation didn't make sense.

    I want The Genuine Doctor back not another Doctor Matt was by far The best Doctor the only one I really emphasized with.
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    This Christmas special was so utterly boring. Nothing happened. There were only three characters in it, the Doctor, Clara and that random woman with a stalk in her head. I don't remember anything from the episode. There was no excitement at all and the worst thing was, other than the logic in how the Doctor and his pitchfork wielding friends managed to actually fight any of these advanced armoured and armed enemies, was that there were TWO segments which were told through a narrator mid-way the story. I'm sorry, but you're meant to be showing us things, not just random explosions and laser etc etc etc oh he's three hundred years older. Wow, what an amazing piece of ****ing writing.

    They build up, or shall I say reference, the Doctor having this friendship with the small boy but we never actually see it. The whole town is suddenly shoehorned in as the Doctor's 'family' but we never see anything and we don't see it start. This is a visual medium, guys, ****ing use your cameras and film the Doctor adopting the ****ing town as his family.

    Also, there is, once again with Moffatt's terrible series arc episodes, no reason as to why the crack waited until he was really old before letting him regenerate/give him his powerful timey-wimey-beams-which-we'd-never-seen-damage-anything-before-but-suddenly-they-do-now *******s. They did nothing for that whole story, their situation did not change and nor did any of the characters, unless you count the church/military being built up for three years and then suddenly have the ****ing daleks kill them, whatever the **** the stalks coming out of their heads, but somehow the lady is fine. How did they fight the angels?

    I assume they were still on the planet. They had ****ing pitchforks. It's just a stupid cocktease 'Oh this arc is going to be about the Doctor's name' and we're all sat here thinking 'bull**** are they going to actually do it' and they didn't. 'Oh this story is about the timelords coming back after they've been teasing it for the last 8 years' nope, still not back.

    I thought the next series was going to be the Doctor trying to find the Timelords and then they have them semi-nearly come back right after the ending to the 50th anniversary. That was a great episode. Why did this have to suck? Jesus Christ.


    (Original post by Dalek1099)
    in the Wedding of River Song Dorium says "on the fields of Trenzalore, at the Fall of the Eleventh, when no creature can speak falsely or fail to answer, a question will be asked. A question that must never ever be answered: Doctor who?" the key part is the fail to answer part which is what the doctor does all episode.This is a major plothole Moffat but I still loved the episode.
    What a forgetful piece of exposition. All it seems to me is Moffatt laughing saying 'Look! Look! I referenced this episode two years before it aired. AHAHAHAHAHA'. You're not clever Moffatt.
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    I think you guys seem to be forgetting that lots of the classic Doctors showed signs of confusion after regenerating... Hell, the fifth Doctor was very ill when he regenerated from the fourth if I remember properly (Castrovalva I believe)...
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    (Original post by Dalek1099)
    Was there a joke?He said that he has new kidneys and doesn't know what the colour is:confused:I thought that the Doctor shouldn't have just said "Do you know how to fly this thing" because He should have at least said "Ah The Tardis its crashing now I think I need to press these buttons here I think but I'm not quite aure how to fly this thing".I really felt that Peter Capaldi's Doctor just seemed to be a drunk idiot rather than the Doctor.When the other new doctors came in He still felt like the Doctor this one doesn't-It seems as if He is an impostor.
    How is he a drunk idiot?! Comments first on kidneys, Matt Smith commented on his legs pretty much straight away...sees the Tardis is crashing (well you would notice that), is unsure how to fly it (he's just regenerated and not only that, started new regeneration cycle, could have extra memory impairment...Matt Smith couldn't work out what food he likes etc.)
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    (Original post by greeneyedgirl)
    How is he a drunk idiot?! Comments first on kidneys, Matt Smith commented on his legs pretty much straight away...sees the Tardis is crashing (well you would notice that), is unsure how to fly it (he's just regenerated and not only that, started new regeneration cycle, could have extra memory impairment...Matt Smith couldn't work out what food he likes etc.)
    Its the way he expresses it/acts it not the actual lines he just has to act over the top and his accent is way too strong Matt had quirkiness as the Doctor Peter just doesn'tI would also like to add that Matt's Doctor's inability to know what food he likes had nothing to do with his memory but his new tastebuds which preferred different foods compared to his other selves.
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    (Original post by Dalek1099)
    Its the way he expresses it/acts it not the actual lines he just has to act over the top and his accent is way too strong Matt had quirkiness as the Doctor Peter just doesn'tI would also like to add that Matt's Doctor's inability to know what food he likes had nothing to do with his memory but his new tastebuds which preferred different foods compared to his other selves.
    Are you saying Peter acted more over the top than Matt did?

    Really?!?
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    (Original post by Dalek1099)
    Its the way he expresses it/acts it not the actual lines he just has to act over the top and his accent is way too strong Matt had quirkiness as the Doctor Peter just doesn'tI would also like to add that Matt's Doctor's inability to know what food he likes had nothing to do with his memory but his new tastebuds which preferred different foods compared to his other selves.
    I don't think he acted over the top at all. Maybe you're just not used to eyebrows.

    :teehee: how did I know that somehow his accent would be a problem?! Tbh with the tardis crashing sounds I think anything would have been hardish to distinguish but you'll soon get your ear in.

    I know it had nothing to do with his memory, but saying confusion and stuff occurs at regeneration.
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    (Original post by Robbie242)
    Are you saying Peter acted more over the top than Matt did?

    Really?!?
    Yes He did He blasted away the fact He had kidneys and his accent was far too strong without subtitles the line "Do you know how to fly this thing?" sounds like "Do you know how to fire this thing?".I hate his voice and that is really important.
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    (Original post by Dalek1099)
    Yes He did He blasted away the fact He had kidneys and his accent was far too strong without subtitles the line "Do you know how to fly this thing?" sounds like "Do you know how to fire this thing?".I hate his voice and that is really important.
    I just think you hate Scottish people. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Dalek1099)
    Yes He did He blasted away the fact He had kidneys and his accent was far too strong without subtitles the line "Do you know how to fly this thing?" sounds like "Do you know how to fire this thing?".I hate his voice and that is really important.
    I understood it quite well actually, and I'm looking forward to seeing more of Capaldi
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    So at least it covers up the mystery! John Frobisher (TW: The Children of Earth) and Caecilius (Fires of Pompeii) are descendants of the Doctor's "12th" incarnation!



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    please tell me other people noticed Capaldi popping in and out of the Doctor Who universe
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    (Original post by Snagprophet)
    This Christmas special was so utterly boring. Nothing happened. There were only three characters in it, the Doctor, Clara and that random woman with a stalk in her head. I don't remember anything from the episode. There was no excitement at all and the worst thing was, other than the logic in how the Doctor and his pitchfork wielding friends managed to actually fight any of these advanced armoured and armed enemies, was that there were TWO segments which were told through a narrator mid-way the story. I'm sorry, but you're meant to be showing us things, not just random explosions and laser etc etc etc oh he's three hundred years older. Wow, what an amazing piece of ****ing writing.

    They build up, or shall I say reference, the Doctor having this friendship with the small boy but we never actually see it. The whole town is suddenly shoehorned in as the Doctor's 'family' but we never see anything and we don't see it start. This is a visual medium, guys, ****ing use your cameras and film the Doctor adopting the ****ing town as his family.

    Also, there is, once again with Moffatt's terrible series arc episodes, no reason as to why the crack waited until he was really old before letting him regenerate/give him his powerful timey-wimey-beams-which-we'd-never-seen-damage-anything-before-but-suddenly-they-do-now *******s. They did nothing for that whole story, their situation did not change and nor did any of the characters, unless you count the church/military being built up for three years and then suddenly have the ****ing daleks kill them, whatever the **** the stalks coming out of their heads, but somehow the lady is fine. How did they fight the angels?

    I assume they were still on the planet. They had ****ing pitchforks. It's just a stupid cocktease 'Oh this arc is going to be about the Doctor's name' and we're all sat here thinking 'bull**** are they going to actually do it' and they didn't. 'Oh this story is about the timelords coming back after they've been teasing it for the last 8 years' nope, still not back.

    I thought the next series was going to be the Doctor trying to find the Timelords and then they have them semi-nearly come back right after the ending to the 50th anniversary. That was a great episode. Why did this have to suck? Jesus Christ.




    What a forgetful piece of exposition. All it seems to me is Moffatt laughing saying 'Look! Look! I referenced this episode two years before it aired. AHAHAHAHAHA'. You're not clever Moffatt.
    People just look for reasons to dislike Doctor Who these days. I really liked this episode, and the only other Christmas episode I've liked was a Christmas Carol.

    Overall, you can pick holes in absolutely any film or TV show. It doesn't mean it's not great. Some of the most-loved films and TV shows have glaring holes.

    But some of your gripes aren't even fair.

    1. The crack waited until he was really old before giving him regenerations because that is when Clara spoke to it. Clara gained access to the crack at that point in the doctor's life and she managed to convince the Time Lords on the other side that the doctor was there and that he deserved their help. That was pretty clear...

    2. You said we've never seen regeneration energy being used to cause damage. I'm pretty sure that when River Song regenerated she used her regeneration energy in that way.

    3. You complain that the town was low-tech and should not be able to repel the doctor's enemies. It was made clear that the doctor's enemies were all afraid of starting any real war in case he unleashed the Time Lords. They never sent any big force - they tried to infiltrate the town, for whatever means, but even at the end it was shown that they were afraid to attack in case the Doctor unleashed the Time Lords. When the Daleks eventually decided to wage proper war, all the doctor's enemies joined in and the town only survived because (A) the Church/Silence fought with the Doctor and (B) the doctor's enemies also fought each other.

    4. The episode WAS about the doctor's name. The whole point was that the Doctor's name is...THE DOCTOR. It is the name he chose and the name he has earnt and the name he embodies. Would it really have been a better payoff to be told he's called James?


    Your other gripes are pretty unfair. How did they defeat the Angels? It would be a pretty long and boring episode if we have to see exactly how each race of enemies was forced to leave the planet.
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    (Original post by muonz)
    So at least it covers up the mystery! John Frobisher (TW: The Children of Earth) and Caecilius (Fires of Pompeii) are descendants of the Doctor's "12th" incarnation!



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    please tell me other people noticed Capaldi popping in and out of the Doctor Who universe
    We have noticed :yep: but I don't see how we know they are descendants?!
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    (Original post by Snagprophet)
    This Christmas special was so utterly boring. Nothing happened. There were only three characters in it, the Doctor, Clara and that random woman with a stalk in her head. I don't remember anything from the episode. There was no excitement at all and the worst thing was, other than the logic in how the Doctor and his pitchfork wielding friends managed to actually fight any of these advanced armoured and armed enemies, was that there were TWO segments which were told through a narrator mid-way the story. I'm sorry, but you're meant to be showing us things, not just random explosions and laser etc etc etc oh he's three hundred years older. Wow, what an amazing piece of ****ing writing.

    They build up, or shall I say reference, the Doctor having this friendship with the small boy but we never actually see it. The whole town is suddenly shoehorned in as the Doctor's 'family' but we never see anything and we don't see it start. This is a visual medium, guys, ****ing use your cameras and film the Doctor adopting the ****ing town as his family.

    Also, there is, once again with Moffatt's terrible series arc episodes, no reason as to why the crack waited until he was really old before letting him regenerate/give him his powerful timey-wimey-beams-which-we'd-never-seen-damage-anything-before-but-suddenly-they-do-now *******s. They did nothing for that whole story, their situation did not change and nor did any of the characters, unless you count the church/military being built up for three years and then suddenly have the ****ing daleks kill them, whatever the **** the stalks coming out of their heads, but somehow the lady is fine. How did they fight the angels?

    I assume they were still on the planet. They had ****ing pitchforks. It's just a stupid cocktease 'Oh this arc is going to be about the Doctor's name' and we're all sat here thinking 'bull**** are they going to actually do it' and they didn't. 'Oh this story is about the timelords coming back after they've been teasing it for the last 8 years' nope, still not back.

    I thought the next series was going to be the Doctor trying to find the Timelords and then they have them semi-nearly come back right after the ending to the 50th anniversary. That was a great episode. Why did this have to suck? Jesus Christ.




    What a forgetful piece of exposition. All it seems to me is Moffatt laughing saying 'Look! Look! I referenced this episode two years before it aired. AHAHAHAHAHA'. You're not clever Moffatt.
    I completely disagree with you, but I saw this quoted in your post:

    when no creature can speak falsely or fail to answer
    But surely in the 300 years the Doctor lived at Trenzalore, by not telling the Time Lords his name he was failing to give an answer?
 
 
 
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