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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    Thatcher was forced out because she alienated her Cabinet, this Leader has alienated the House
    Removing a leader in the UK and by extension TSRland is political and internal. He would have to alienate his cabinet to be removed. He has not. There is no other avenue for removal. Drop the issue.
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    Thatcher was forced out because she alienated her Cabinet, this Leader has alienated the House
    You do realise the differences between the two don't you?! I'm sorry Morgsie but you sound like an obsessive.
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    And let certain haters like you win, I don't think so
    Leave the thread with your inane questions. Not leave the house. You can stay if you want, it doesn't bother me, it just means that I have more posts to not care about.
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    (Original post by meenu89)
    You do realise the differences between the two don't you?! I'm sorry Morgsie but sound like an obsessive.
    Yes and I understand.

    He has no right telling me to **** off and calling me an idiot
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    Yes and I understand.

    He has no right telling me to **** off and calling me an idiot
    You have no right to be bullying him the way you have.
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    (Original post by paperclip)
    You have no right to be bullying him the way you have.
    Borderline bullying in the past but not this time, it's the other way round
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    Yes and I understand.

    He has no right telling me to **** off and calling me an idiot
    Actually, he asked if you were an idiot. You responded in the negative, so that issue has been cleared up.
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    Members have a right to raise eyebrows and start asking questions due to a Leader supporting another Party that could undermine the Leader's Party given the lack of accountability Internally
    I think that I speak for the vast majority of this House when I say that we don't care what david's doing. Personally I support him being a dual member because he's using his expertise as a leader to set up another party. He's gone beyond the immediate politics of the situation and is being helpful to another party and I for one think that we should encourage this. Your targeting of david has got to stop now Morgsie - it is intolerable and really TCIT should, as Adorno has said, be having words with you about this if he hasn't done already.

    Put bluntly, david's being a dual member - we don't care. Let him if he wants to, why does it affect you?

    He has retaliated, but out of sheer frustration (just as you have done in the past).

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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    Borderline bullying in the past but not this time, it's the other way round
    No, your constant attacks in the house against him are bullying. You do not get to choose when the definition of bullying applied, as previous experience has demonstrated, if these were constant attacks against you then you would not handle them well either.

    Something is fishy about this, possibly the Leader flip flopping all over the place
    He is not flip flopping at all, he has been very consistent in his views. Months ago he sought improved relations with the socialists, and now he is doing so with another left wing party.

    (Original post by Morgsie)
    Thatcher was forced out because she alienated her Cabinet, this Leader has alienated the House
    He has united the house. He is working with other parties. You seem to be the one that wants him to pursue an isolationist agenda.

    It seems you are attempting to alienate the left, although i suspect your attacks have political motivations; you are trying to keep Labour centrist so the Lib Dems have a hope in getting into government.
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    (Original post by paperclip)
    It seems you are attempting to alienate the left, although i suspect your attacks have political motivations; you are trying to keep Labour centrist so the Lib Dems have a hope in getting into government.
    I think I can speak unanimously for the Labour Party when I say we won't be working with Morgsie.
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    I work with all sides including some Members of Labour on an individual basis which must continue: asking for their input, saying what I think of XYZ etc. The problem is that your Leader does not get me and wants me gone for good
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    (Original post by TopHat)
    I think I can speak unanimously for the Labour Party when I say we won't be working with Morgsie.
    Just goes to show that morgsies behaviour is isolating the Lib Dems. Ironic that he says the things he does :rolleyes:

    It baffles me how he has not been expelled yet. I have had words with JPKC for a lot less.
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    (Original post by paperclip)
    He has united the house. He is working with other parties. You seem to be the one that wants him to pursue an isolationist agenda.

    It seems you are attempting to alienate the left, although i suspect your attacks have political motivations; you are trying to keep Labour centrist so the Lib Dems have a hope in getting into government.
    You might be overthinking this. I reckon Morgsie just doesn't like David because David doesn't care much for crossrail extention.


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    You said a few weeks ago that you personally don't support green policies (like a carbon tax) if they result in cost increases for businesses and car owners. Would this affect your ability to support the environmentalist policies critical to the Green Party platform?
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    I was asking serious questions before people blew it up out of proportion by bringing past things into this
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    (Original post by JPKC)
    You might be overthinking this. I reckon Morgsie just doesn't like David because David doesn't care much for crossrail extention.




    You said a few weeks ago that you personally don't support green policies (like a carbon tax) if they result in cost increases for businesses and car owners. Would this affect your ability to support the environmentalist policies critical to the Green Party platform?
    Its not that, we have different approaches and a personality clash.

    I admit I am a loose cannon but my voting record does not contain a high number abstentions
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    (Original post by JPKC)
    You said a few weeks ago that you personally don't support green policies (like a carbon tax) if they result in cost increases for businesses and car owners. Would this affect your ability to support the environmentalist policies critical to the Green Party platform?
    Well, it's not that I don't support them, I just think their impact has to be analysed before being brought in place. In principle I support them, definitely, but in reality I think it really needs to be looked at how this could affect businesses and the economy. This doesn't mean that I'm against implementing environmentalist policies, but I think they need to be implemented in a way that doesn't hit people unfairly.
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    (Original post by davidmarsh01)
    Well, it's not that I don't support them, I just think their impact has to be analysed before being brought in place. In principle I support them, definitely, but in reality I think it really needs to be looked at how this could affect businesses and the economy. This doesn't mean that I'm against implementing environmentalist policies, but I think they need to be implemented in a way that doesn't hit people unfairly.
    Carbon pricing does hit people unfairly, but so does climate change. Not acting just harms people in developing countries further, and I think that that should be put in front of short-term economic interest, because one's life/death and the other's "oh petrol's a bit more expensive, that's annoying".
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    (Original post by JPKC)
    Carbon pricing does hit people unfairly, but so does climate change. Not acting just harms people in developing countries further, and I think that that should be put in front of short-term economic interest, because one's life/death and the other's "oh petrol's a bit more expensive, that's annoying".
    Except that there's absolutely no evidence to support the idea that British petrol taxes help those in the developing world. Don't you see the glaring logical flaw in your statement? In order to raise average global living standards we have to...erm.. crush western living standards. If Africa et al want to develop at a decent rate its essential that they exploit fossil fuels, you're not being the nice guy by seeking to outlaw carbon.
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    Except that there's absolutely no evidence to support the idea that British petrol taxes help those in the developing world. Don't you see the glaring logical flaw in your statement? In order to raise average global living standards we have to...erm.. crush western living standards. In order to develop at a decent rate poorer countries need to exploit fossil fuels, you're not being the nice guy by seeking to outlaw carbon.
    Okay, so you don't believe in man-made climate change?

    And it's important to remember that eventually there'll be a point where easing our economy off of fossil fuels won't be an option, because they'll have just been used up. The sooner we get it over and done with, the better our future will be.
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    (Original post by JPKC)
    Okay, so you don't believe in man-made climate change?

    And it's important to remember that eventually there'll be a point where easing our economy off of fossil fuels won't be an option, because they'll have just been used up. The sooner we get it over and done with, the better our future will be.
    That's not the point. If the main justification for excessive petrol duty is that it helps alleviate climate related problems in the third world my response is always: show me the evidence. A "belief" in climate change is no substitute for evidence based policy making, lets have a bit more rationality please.

    Not really. Right now its much cheaper to use petrol and generate domestic power conventionally rather than prematurely switch over to 'green' energy. But I notice you've moved the goalposts slightly, is your main concern the third world or domestic energy security?
 
 
 
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