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(Original post by SirMasterKey)
If that's the case then it was clone Amy that gets kidnapped in TIA and not the real Amy. Which could of course be the whole, when on Earth (and where :awesome:) did the real Amy get kidnapped?

Perhaps

Something to do with Prisoner Zero? Someone mentioned when Jen had the long neck that it was like him and he knows about the Silence, perhaps kidnapped and cloned at some point in those years? Although I'm not sure that could work as P0 would have been able to get off of Earth. :holmes:
CLone Jen did look a bit like P0, and the boss lady had a twisty neck as a clone.
Omg! Prizoner zero uses dreaming and comatose people and takes their fprm, doesnt he? And these people in the harness were sort of knocked out by solar flare?
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Was Amy actually kidnapped in the bathroom scence in TIA? Unlikely with how it was acted out but the whole mirrors thing. Afterall if we take what Ape says as true with the physic link it is before the Silence kidnap her in the room with the Astronaut (so for the second time). If it was at that point then it would make a bit of sense that we see Kovarian for the first time.
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(Original post by Colonel.)
Eye patch lady is beginning to annoy me as we're just smacked in the face with her image without learning anything.
It is the new 'crack' from last season :sigh:

I hate it when things are just launched into the mixer without even a slight hint to base a theory on without completely ruining it for yourself.
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(Original post by Ape Gone Insane)
Following on from the Amy clone theory, what do you guys think about the SFX teasers? They seem to ...

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Implicitly confirm it.

  1. It’s a compelling, solid action/adventure episode, with a few irritating moments that don’t quite gel and some lapses in logic. If anything, it feels a little small scale and never really steps up a gear to a level you’d expect from a two-parter, but at least that means it can deal with its themes a little more thoroughly and concentrate on the characters.
  2. The last couple of minutes are riveting - Amy revealed as clone.
  3. There’s some new footage – not just “story so far” clips – before the opening credits
  4. The Doctor appeals to someone’s better nature
  5. There’s a lovely reference back to “The Doctor’s Wife”
  6. The Doctor is very scary at a couple of points
  7. Amy voices something that may have been on the viewers’ minds if they’ve been following the series - What if the clone Doctor died in episode 1? Probably a red herring dialogue.
  8. The Doctor once won a bet in a very unusual fashion
  9. The Doctor asks Amy to do something he also asked her to do in the last series I need you to remember?
  10. Some waste product has a profound affect on Rory
  11. The TARDIS makes a very unusual landing
  12. By the end of the episode you be left trying to work out when something that clearly happened actually happened. Right so if she is revealed as a clone, then the first thing we will wonder apart from where the real one is - when was Amy cloned? When did it actually happen?
  13. There’s a very random balloon
  14. The TARDIS is better medically equipped than in “Curse Of The Black Spot”.


Though tbh (solid set report spoiler)...

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It has to be real since there are pictures of two Amy's
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It's looking more and more likely that this Amy is a clone. So maybe she was cloned and replaced when she was in the toilet at the white house although that won't explain why the Silence took her again when she was at the orphanage. Maybe it happened at the orphanage? Or maybe it happeneded during those three months off screen when they were pretending to run from the FBI but they needed her again in the orphanage to complete something or maybe it happens in The Rebel Fish/Almost people? But either way, poor Rory.


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RE: AGI's theory (too many quotes already!)

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one thing we haven't seen yet is a psychic link between the clone and the 'original' person, unless of course they are still linked (i.e. pre-solar flare). However, still think it's an awesome theory!


(Original post by Mr.Messy)
Anyone notice how the clones are like opposites of one another? Yes they all the same memories/emotions, but they deal with it in a different way. If you watch the Preview Clip 2, you can see that Clone Jennifer is taking the lead and is prepared to fight the real versions, 'us and them', whereas human Jennifer is scared and just wants help. Also Cleaves, who when seeing the Doctor team up with gangers, brought the electrocution device to kill them, but in Clip 2, she says "I just want to live in piece." when Clone Jennifer says we must go to war with the humans.
I don't think they are so much deliberate opposites of each other, but once they were separated, they have new experiences. Ganger Jeniffer felt betrayed by the humans, so many that's why she ends up sort of leading the others? The Ganger of the older guy (can't remember what his name was) seemed to act similar to the original, saying he missed his family.

(Original post by Ape Gone Insane)
It's not so much Canton's line that bothers me. The Doctor could have told him to say anything at all. Even lie. It's Amy's random line about clones.

Maybe she's had encounters with clones in the past. But it just doesn't seem something her character would randomly jump to. Someone dies and you're like "It must be a clone or something&quot
I don't think it's so much that Amy has come across clones before, but maybe it was more wishful thinking 'he's the doctor, he can't die'. Clones appear in other sci-fi things and people are aware of them. Not saying that it is a throw-away line, it could well be important - but Amy didn't realise that they were going to encounter clones later, or even that they existed at all

(Original post by SirMasterKey)
Also did the Doctor plan to get cloned? What was it he was doing to the lightening mast?
I thought that he was there to turn it off, as the power surge would be very very bad when the solar flare hit!

(Original post by Ape Gone Insane)
It's amazing how that sonic does everything and doesn't seem to have any screen.
I was thinking this! I'm sure it's a special 'timey-lordy' thing :p:
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(Original post by sleekchic)
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It's looking more and more likely that this Amy is a clone. So maybe she was cloned and replaced when she was in the toilet at the white house although that won't explain why the Silence took her again when she was at the orphanage. Maybe it happened at the orphanage? Or maybe it happeneded during those three months off screen when they were pretending to run from the FBI but they needed her again in the orphanage to complete something or maybe it happens in The Rebel Fish/Almost people? But either way, poor Rory.


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:five: on same theory with Whitehouse bathroom.

Would the physic link work both ways once the clone has been made? If so then it could literally be anytime that she was swapped. As when one sees Kovarian the other does.

Edit: This was my 200th post in this thread. I need to get out more :facepalm:
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So are all latching onto Ape's theory in case it turns out to be right?

In that case I almost came up with it first. :ninja:
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(Original post by SirMasterKey)
Spoiler fail

:five: on same theory with Whitehouse bathroom.

Would the physic link work both ways once the clone has been made? If so then it could literally be anytime that she was swapped. As when one sees Kovarian the other does.
I was hoping no one would notice.

Perhaps the psychic link is like the mirrors in the pirate episode so a person's mind/image is like a gateway to where the other person/clone is?

So maybe Amy was cloned before she started seeing Kovarian?

And I love how quickly this thread moves. From discussing yesterday's episode to a new theory.
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(Original post by sleekchic)
I was hoping no one would notice.

Perhaps the psychic link is like the mirrors in the pirate episode so a person's mind/image is like a gateway to where the other person/clone is?

So maybe Amy was cloned before she started seeing Kovarian?

And I love how quickly this thread moves. From discussing yesterday's episode to a new theory.
I almost didn't, just got on here in the fraction of time between you fixing it. When I clicked quote it had already fixed itself

Same it is great!

(Original post by sleekchic)
So are all latching onto Ape's theory in case it turns out to be right?

In that case I almost came up with it first. :ninja:
Same, with my post about Clone Amy dying next episode and then the synopsis of Ep 7 getting in there. :ninjagirl:
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So where does speculation about clone Amy fit with speculation about parallel worlds from the pirate episode? :holmes:
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(Original post by Ape Gone Insane)
Very good point. Although it has been stressed this is early technology so there might not be a psychic link between these early gangers. :holmes:

I'm trying to find the said clip I mentioned in the previous page.
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that could well be true... We don't know how far advanced these Silents are tho (or if the flesh technology was around in another world the Silents got to. Dr Who Confidential said that this episode was set in the 22nd century, whereas Amy was kidnapped in the 1960s
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(Original post by Ape Gone Insane)
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Things would be so much more straightforward if Kovarian had appeared after she had been kidnapped. :emo:




Very good point. Although it has been stressed this is early technology so there might not be a psychic link between these early gangers. :holmes:
1. We still don't know when it took place. We know of A kidnapping but maybe there was two?

2. Could be.
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Not latching onto this theory. Seems a bit...cop out ish.

Guess we'll need to wait and see :awesome:
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So you know everything that will happen further on in the series?

You can't completely know what is a filler and what isn't. As I've said today already on the episode thread, people thought that 'The Lodger' was just a filler and what was in the opening of this series. A Tardis like spaceship that was an almost exact copy of the one from 'The Lodger'. Therefore the Lodger was not a filler.

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Craig is back in episode 12 so clearly it has some importance.
I thought it was filler and I hated it. Clearly, if future episodes show that this episode is important in the story arc of this series of Dr Who, then I will go back and say it wasn't filler. However, I will still hate the episode.
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(Original post by Ape Gone Insane)
The mouth and words sync up perfectly. And the clip before is from episode 6 with the 'warmongering' human, Amy and Doctor trapped in a room. :holmes:
I watched it again and realised that.
I also thought it was from the fishfingers and custard bit in ep 1, which when I looked at again realised was not the case.
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Found it! :smug: Look at what he says and does here. Episode 6/7 spoiler phobes don't click. :awesome: 0:46 onwards.






I don't mind theories or speculation being wrong. Speculation will always be wild and seeing things that aren't meant to be patterns. It's just the fact that we all get together and speculate - it's pretty awesome. :moon:
YAY I'm a spoilerphobe tbh I'm pretty impressed with how well I've kept away from spoilers!
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But think it's got to appeal to kids and adults. Kids need the moral messages spread out a bit more clearly. I like her "I'm me" rant, because as she was self affirming herself she became fully fledged flesh again. It reminded me very much of Samuel Beckett's "Not I"

That may be the first time I've ever seen Doctor Who compared to Beckett. :holmes: Yeah, I get that it's got to appeal to kids and adults, but it's dropped the moral bomb a lot more elegantly in the past...and a lot less, I guess (Star Whale), so I shouldn't really complain.
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That may be the first time I've ever seen Doctor Who compared to Beckett. :holmes: Yeah, I get that it's got to appeal to kids and adults, but it's dropped the moral bomb a lot more elegantly in the past...and a lot less, I guess (Star Whale), so I shouldn't really complain.
First time I've ever compared Doctor Who to Beckett as well...but it works

Yeah, I guess as aw writer it's gotta be pretty tricky to strike the balance right between overly moral, and understating
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When the doctor asks to see the critical systems and the foreman asks which one, the doctor replies "You know which one"

Does he know which one, or was he bluffing? :holmes:
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When the doctor asks to see the critical systems and the foreman asks which one, the doctor replies "You know which one"

Does he know which one, or was he bluffing? :holmes:
I had forgotten about that! I guess that points to him having knowledge of the flesh (as he hinted at later on as well, saying it was early technology) and possibly that he deliberately went there to find out more about it - and trying to do that away from Rory and Amy
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