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    (Original post by chefdave)
    That's not the point. If the main justification for excessive petrol duty is that it helps alleviate climate related problems in the third world my response is always: show me the evidence. A "belief" in climate change is no substitute for evidence based policy making, lets have a bit more rationality please.

    Not really. Right now its much cheaper to use petrol and generate domestic power conventionally rather than prematurely switch over to 'green' energy. But I notice you've moved the goalposts slightly, is your main concern the third world or domestic energy security?
    Let's have a bit less ignorance please.
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    Ok then Mr IPCC. How much will we have to raise petrol duty by before we start to see a reduction in climate related catastrophes in the third world? In your own time...
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    (Original post by chefdave)
    Ok then Mr IPCC. How much will we have to raise petrol duty by before we start to see a reduction in climate related catastrophes in the third world? In your own time...
    You should go and ask a climate change policy specialist for that; all I'm concerned with is reflecting the social cost of fossil fuels in the price of fossil fuels. If emitting 1 ton of CO2 causes £x of damage, then that £x should be added to the cost of producing emissions. Increasing the price (and investing in cleaner energy) will eventually make it more economically viable to use alternatives. The threshold will be different for different organisations and individuals.
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    (Original post by JPKC)
    You should go and ask a climate change policy specialist for that; all I'm concerned with is reflecting the social cost of fossil fuels in the price of fossil fuels. If emitting 1 ton of CO2 causes £x of damage, then that £x should be added to the cost of producing emissions. Increasing the price (and investing in cleaner energy) will eventually make it more economically viable to use alternatives. The threshold will be different for different organisations and individuals.
    This is a reasonable principle in theory but I can see a couple of problems:

    1) If someone imposes costs upon you we can't say that taxation alone offers adequate compensation. Imagine - someone breaks your window with a football and they say 'its ok, because I already paid tax when I purchased the ball". Compensation needs to be direct and proportionate, not indirect and loosely related to the actual costs.

    2) Its difficult to calculate the true cost of CO2 release. If someone poisons a river with molten lead and it costs £500,000 to return the river to its unpolluted state we have an objective figure we can work with. Theories on man made climate change are never that precise though, so it ends up as just another tax rather than a useful compensation package.

    3) We all make these costs so we all suffer anyway, this is a form of natural compensation. If I impose a £10 cost on you by driving my car and you in turn impose a £10 cost on me by driving your cost the net cost is £0, so there's no need for any additional taxes. Despite what leftists seem to imagine we can't seperate people out into two groups: the nasty, polluting 4x4 drivers and the innocent, green, environmentally conscious victims. We all pollute in one way or another.

    4) CO2 is a plant food so it confers social benefits too, would this mean I'm entitled to a rebate for my environmental endevours?
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    I hope your happy, there is a possibility I may be banned permanently
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    I hope your happy, there is a possibility I may be banned permanently
    Morgsie, what are you on about now? If it's about the bullying david issue, then you have to learn that your actions have consequences. I have got to admit that even I have been taken aback by how sharp you have been recently.
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    I hope your happy, there is a possibility I may be banned permanently
    *You're. Sorry, couldn't resist.
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    I hope your happy, there is a possibility I may be banned permanently
    If you're not going to ask a question, then please stay out of this thread. Also, please don't attempt to imply that you've been threatened with a permanent ban because of today's events. We both know that is not the case.
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    (Original post by TheCrackInTime)
    If you're not going to ask a question, then please stay out of this thread. Also, please don't attempt to imply that you've been threatened with a permanent ban because of today's events. We both know that is not the case.
    I asked a question in the first place which you and have others have twisted to fit your personal agenda against me
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    (Original post by toronto353)
    Morgsie, what are you on about now? If it's about the bullying david issue, then you have to learn that your actions have consequences. I have got to admit that even I have been taken aback by how sharp you have been recently.
    You hit the nail on the head earlier. I really don't want to be nasty, but I'm just tired of Morgsie's constant snipes at me. They don't bother me particularly, it's just the fact he always has to have one that pisses me off. Add to that I was in a bad mood earlier, and I just couldn't be bothered with it anymore.
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    I asked a question in the first place which you and have others have twisted to fit your personal agenda against me
    My only agenda here is ensuring that the MHoC remains a pleasant place for people to debate and have fun. If you think I have a personal agenda against you, then by all means report me in Ask A Supermod. Until then, please don't make allegations that you can't back up.
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    I asked a question in the first place which you and have others have twisted to fit your personal agenda against me
    No you asked a question with the specific aim of attacking david and attempting to undermine his leadership. Stop just seeing how it affects you and try to go beyond that. Do you remember when JPKC bullied you on internetguru did? Do you remember how you felt? If you do, then I am baffled as to why you'd want anyone else to be bullied. What you're doing is bullying through victimisation and targeting purely of david. It goes beyond pure opposition and politics actually to, dare I say, personal enmity and hatred of david and the House doesn't want or need this. If you don't like him or others, then stick him on ignore. It's simple, but bullying is way out of line and you of all people should know that.

    Also claiming that TCIT is biased against you in ludicrous. You and I and others know how much support he has given you and I will back him 100% of the way in saying that he is an excellent mod who has bent over backwards to help you.


    (Original post by davidmarsh01)
    You hit the nail on the head earlier. I really don't want to be nasty, but I'm just tired of Morgsie's constant snipes at me. They don't bother me particularly, it's just the fact he always has to have one that pisses me off. Add to that I was in a bad mood earlier, and I just couldn't be bothered with it anymore.
    Well I support you for raising the issue. It's bullying and not to be tolerated.
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    I asked a question in the first place which you and have others have twisted to fit your personal agenda against me
    I would miss your Baroness Ashton avatar if that's any consolation. Although your behaviour towards davidmarsh01 has been out of order.
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    (Original post by meenu89)
    I would miss your Baroness Ashton avatar if that's any consolation. Although your behaviour towards davidmarsh01 has been out of order.
    I accept that.

    If it happens then I would miss our little debates on XYZ and our little chats about RL

    I would also miss my Frenemies
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    I accept that.

    If it happens then I would miss our little debates on XYZ and our little chats about RL

    I would also miss my Frenemies
    You may be interested to know that you came up briefly in a conversation me and paperclip had in pub!
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    (Original post by Metrobeans)
    You may be interested to know that you came up briefly in a conversation me and paperclip had in pub!
    And?

    Hope it was nice because there is a nice person underneath the aggressive person displayed recently
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    Oh can you all just stfu I'm tired of this and I'm sure everybody else is. People are different, and you may not always agree with them. Deal with it.
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    I agree with MacDaddi! Guys this is an internet forum, most of us don't even know what the other person looks like. Let's save the *****ing, be cordial and less personal. Sheesh! If you guys are like this on here, I'd hate to see how you behave with real people lol.
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    I don't know what plans you have for the ol' manifesto, but I'd like to politely request that you refrain from mentioning the Fair Pay Act.


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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    And?

    Hope it was nice because there is a nice person underneath the aggressive person displayed recently
    It was about trains!


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