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    (Original post by Mr Student)
    Personally, I couldn't do it because I envisioned at least 2 years without seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. That's how long I anticipated I would have to dedicate myself completely to become competent. I think something of a work/life balance could be achieved, possibily after the NQT year depending on how well you adapt. That said, I have a friend who seemed to breeze through his PGCE and barely seems to spend any of his free time working. He also strikes me as somewhat inadequate as a teacher. This was not my experience. I had to constantly work, struggle and improve.

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    but it sounds like you would be the better teacher - the kind of teacher this country needs!
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    (Original post by freida20)
    but it sounds like you would be the better teacher - the kind of teacher this country needs!
    Maybe. That's what my mentor said but I felt it would kill me. Maybe I'm not made of the right stuff. Or maybe the ambitions I have don't align well with working as a teacher.

    Obviously it has to get better but through the rough times you need unwavering and unquestioned support from your loved ones. The last thing you need is people who are supposed to be on your side telling you what you should be doing outside your job in terms of personal commitments and spending any 'free' time.

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    (Original post by freida20)
    It's really interesting hearing how everyone is getting on - and how those of you who have had bad experiences or have had low points have been able to learn from it and move on.

    I'm pretty much prepared to wipe out a year of my life to get through the PGCE year and know I will be exhausted, stressed, working long hours etc BUT what I want to know it - how does this compare with being an NQT? Is it still all blood, sweat and tears?
    How does it compare with being an actual teacher? I have young children so while I'm willing to invest and work hard I don't want it to be like that for the rest of my life!!! I'd like to think that at some point they are going to see me and I am not going to be a distracted, exhausted, stressed, grumpy person!

    I am open to initially getting part-time work or supply work but a full time job would be my ideal but I will obviously have to see what is available and cross that bridge when I get to it!
    Wow! this sounds like a post that I would write, same thoughts, same situ with children. I am interested to see what others will say...
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    Had one of those lessons today where you just think: why on earth do I bother?

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    (Original post by myblueheaven339)
    Same here! My department was the best in the school last year, but this year things have changed significantly, several members of staff have left and we've been left to pick up the pieces


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    (Original post by pgce2013)
    Lol join the club mate, can't wait till half term. Everyday is a struggle


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    I feel you, brothers/sisters!

    I am working so hard yet there's no sense of appreciation whatsoever. Having to write thousands of cover letters and application forms without any response doesn't help either.
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    (Original post by freida20)
    It's really interesting hearing how everyone is getting on - and how those of you who have had bad experiences or have had low points have been able to learn from it and move on.

    I'm pretty much prepared to wipe out a year of my life to get through the PGCE year and know I will be exhausted, stressed, working long hours etc BUT what I want to know it - how does this compare with being an NQT? Is it still all blood, sweat and tears?
    How does it compare with being an actual teacher? I have young children so while I'm willing to invest and work hard I don't want it to be like that for the rest of my life!!! I'd like to think that at some point they are going to see me and I am not going to be a distracted, exhausted, stressed, grumpy person!

    I am open to initially getting part-time work or supply work but a full time job would be my ideal but I will obviously have to see what is available and cross that bridge when I get to it!

    I have had a better work life balance in my NQT year so far than in my PGCE year. But that's me personally.

    Bear in mind:

    There are loads of little jobs you don't encounter on the PGCE... data, letters, co-ordinating staff fully, SEN stuff. These all add up, even though you get quicker at planning, assessment etc.

    I am in my ideal phase (EYFS) which makes a big difference.

    I am a person who does a lot better focussed on one thing (teaching my class!) rather than several (placement A, placement B, assignments, applying for jobs...). So this really helps me.

    You have to be strict with yourself. There is ALWAYS something else you can do. ALWAYS. So you need to just say 'today, I am not working at home' or 'today, I go home at 5pm' and then DO IT. It's not about the amount of work but how you make yourself manage it.

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    You have to be strict with yourself. There is ALWAYS something else you can do. ALWAYS. So you need to just say 'today, I am not working at home' or 'today, I go home at 5pm' and then DO IT. It's not about the amount of work but how you make yourself manage it.

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    TOTALLY agree with this. It will keep you sane!!

    Tonight for example - I planned my only lesson for tomorrow when I was free last week, so I have nothing urgent to do. I have tons of little things I SHOULD be doing, but none of them are urgent so after staff training and a terrible lesson today, I decided to have the night off! Makes such a difference. It is hard getting past that feeling of guilt, but you have to have a break sometime.
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    I'm losing control. I need help, someone to talk to, someone who will listen
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    (Original post by outlaw-torn)
    Had one of those lessons today where you just think: why on earth do I bother?

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    I had an entire day like this today. The low point was one of my pupils whipping another pupil with a skipping rope at break time. Not just once, but he got another pupil to hold the victim and whipped him like they did for punishment in the old days?!?!...I feel like I've worked so hard with this pupil via home/school communication, focus areas at school etc and things were improving then this happens!
    I've been teaching long enough now to know that things generally don't just improve in a straight line, but it doesn't stop it being frustrating when the regression comes.
    Then we had a training session (on AFL which I have had a LOT of training sessions on...) straight after teaching so I didn't get time to follow it up properly! Argh.


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    I'm losing control. I need help, someone to talk to, someone who will listen
    I need to be cruel to be kind here.

    Everyone here listens to you every time you post. I feel like you really shouldn't be doing your job if it makes you feel so bad that you make posts like these every other day.

    I swear you've been making posts like this for over a year. It's not worth putting yourself through hell doing a job you struggle with and don't get supported in for so long. Trust me, I've been there. I quit and am so much happier for it (and a better teacher). Quit, come home, find something else to do. I feel there's little else we in this thread can help you with. You've received a lot of advice here, if none of it works or you are unable to put it into practice for whatever reason then I don't think you're in the right job.
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    (Original post by outlaw-torn)
    Had one of those lessons today where you just think: why on earth do I bother?

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    Same!

    My Year 9 bottom set literally wouldn't even try to do anything today. They can do it (ie: match up the vocabulary in Spanish and English - most of words are cognates then a couple of harder ones) but they rip up their paper and flick ink at each other instead.

    I think I'm going to do an iPad lesson on Friday with stuff where the few who do try can easily move ahead and get on, and so the reluctant writers can type instead for a change. But that brings other problems with it in terms of them playing games/taking photos etc. instead of the work.
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    (Original post by myrtille)
    Same!

    My Year 9 bottom set literally wouldn't even try to do anything today. They can do it (ie: match up the vocabulary in Spanish and English - most of words are cognates then a couple of harder ones) but they rip up their paper and flick ink at each other instead.

    I think I'm going to do an iPad lesson on Friday with stuff where the few who do try can easily move ahead and get on, and so the reluctant writers can type instead for a change. But that brings other problems with it in terms of them playing games/taking photos etc. instead of the work.
    How about using the ipads as a reward? So the ones that do the initial written work are allowed to use the ipads for the rest of the lesson.

    If it's a set that is consistently difficult then you could make it a permanent thing for a little while and then try increasing the amount of work that needs to be completed before ipad time?
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    (Original post by sunfowers01)
    I'm losing control. I need help, someone to talk to, someone who will listen
    Hey inbox me if you need a chat


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    Hey, sorry if this is a bit irrelevant but I have a question. I basicay just want to know if it is possible to balance a pgde and a job at the same time without falling behind on the workload. I'm starting the pgde at Glasgow after summer and after my undergrad degree I really don't want to take out another loan. Any advice? How many hours do you suggest is a fair amount? I've been told that the pgde in Scotland is equivalent to a masters which is a bit frightening for me because my undergrad involved no dissertation whatsoever and barely any theory so trying to get into essay writing again is going to be unfamiliar for me at first. Any comment would be greatly appreciated!


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    (Original post by hippygirl)
    Hey, sorry if this is a bit irrelevant but I have a question. I basicay just want to know if it is possible to balance a pgde and a job at the same time without falling behind on the workload. I'm starting the pgde at Glasgow after summer and after my undergrad degree I really don't want to take out another loan. Any advice? How many hours do you suggest is a fair amount? I've been told that the pgde in Scotland is equivalent to a masters which is a bit frightening for me because my undergrad involved no dissertation whatsoever and barely any theory so trying to get into essay writing again is going to be unfamiliar for me at first. Any comment would be greatly appreciated!


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    Once on placement you'll likely be doing full time hours plus the academic side of the course. I wouldn't recommend working more than a few hours a week.


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    (Original post by hippygirl)
    Hey, sorry if this is a bit irrelevant but I have a question. I basicay just want to know if it is possible to balance a pgde and a job at the same time without falling behind on the workload. I'm starting the pgde at Glasgow after summer and after my undergrad degree I really don't want to take out another loan. Any advice? How many hours do you suggest is a fair amount? I've been told that the pgde in Scotland is equivalent to a masters which is a bit frightening for me because my undergrad involved no dissertation whatsoever and barely any theory so trying to get into essay writing again is going to be unfamiliar for me at first. Any comment would be greatly appreciated!


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    For many people I would say no, it's honestly not doable. But some people can manage. You know yourself best and whether you can focus on so many different things at once. Personally I wouldn't recommend it.

    Btw, on the essay writing, I did a maths degree with no dissertation and was worried about writing essays but actually found it fine. So don't panic! They offer plenty of support as even those from essay subjects may have been out of education for years.

    Can I ask, do you own your own property? If not then do you plan to? I ask because it's likely you'll need to get a mortgage one day. I hate the idea of debt and was very hesitant about taking out more student loans, esp. for the new £9k fees (in England). But then I thought 'If I don't take it now, I will have to take it on a mortgage instead, which is much worse debt than student loan debt'. Even if you worked anyway you'd probably be better saving/investing the money for a deposit, rather than not taking a student loan. Just my personal view though!

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    (Original post by myblueheaven339)
    Once on placement you'll likely be doing full time hours plus the academic side of the course. I wouldn't recommend working more than a few hours a week.


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    It is doable, as previously stated it depends on you as a person.

    I could not survive as I need to let my body recuperate during my limited free time. I know of many people who are working part time and they are juggling a PGCE.


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    (Original post by pgce2013)
    It is doable, as previously stated it depends on you as a person.

    I could not survive as I need to let my body recuperate during my limited free time. I know of many people who are working part time and they are juggling a PGCE.


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    I appreciate that some people will find it manageable, I just said that I wouldn't recommend it, just my personal opinion


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    (Original post by hippygirl)
    Hey, sorry if this is a bit irrelevant but I have a question. I basicay just want to know if it is possible to balance a pgde and a job at the same time without falling behind on the workload. I'm starting the pgde at Glasgow after summer and after my undergrad degree I really don't want to take out another loan. Any advice? How many hours do you suggest is a fair amount? I've been told that the pgde in Scotland is equivalent to a masters which is a bit frightening for me because my undergrad involved no dissertation whatsoever and barely any theory so trying to get into essay writing again is going to be unfamiliar for me at first. Any comment would be greatly appreciated!


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    I work 5-8 on weekends (so 6 hrs total) and I find that difficult to fit around the work, and also because I just have no time to relax! But it is doable.
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    (Original post by hippygirl)
    Hey, sorry if this is a bit irrelevant but I have a question. I basicay just want to know if it is possible to balance a pgde and a job at the same time without falling behind on the workload. I'm starting the pgde at Glasgow after summer and after my undergrad degree I really don't want to take out another loan. Any advice? How many hours do you suggest is a fair amount? I've been told that the pgde in Scotland is equivalent to a masters which is a bit frightening for me because my undergrad involved no dissertation whatsoever and barely any theory so trying to get into essay writing again is going to be unfamiliar for me at first. Any comment would be greatly appreciated!


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    I started the PGCE working 15 hours a week but then reduced to 7.5 hours which I'm currently doing. It was manageable but I couldn't commit because of travel from school to work wants feasible and I just wanted a little breather; my job is working with kids.

    Do what you can manage - everyone's different. Just be careful not to overburden yourself and make sure you know your priority.

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