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    I could be wrong, but I have heard that they are contractually obliged by Terry Nation's estate to feature them at least once a year, ergo, even if they don't want to do a Dalek episode that year, they have to show them in some way, so that's why we get the odd glimpse every now and again.
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    (Original post by Robbie242)
    Asylum of the Daleks was quite Dalek focused but I agree Daleks are been thrown in random places for like 1-2minutes and its starting to bug me
    It was, but it was also a mediocre episode.
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    (Original post by chernid)
    Maybe he's just realised how unscary the Daleks have become, and can't think of ways to make them truly frightening again.
    They dont have to be scary, they just have to be exciting. I didn't think they were scary in Doomsday but that is one of the best Dalek episodes of modern doctor who.

    In fact, the only one I can recall being a bit scary with new who was Dalek.

    Ever since Moffat took over 90% of the stories have been forgettable and mediocre and all the Dalek stories fit into that 90%.
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    (Original post by VladThe1mpaler)
    They dont have to be scary, they just have to be exciting. I didn't think they were scary in Doomsday but that is one of the best Dalek episodes of modern doctor who.

    In fact, the only one I can recall being a bit scary with new who was Dalek.

    Ever since Moffat took over 90% of the stories have been forgettable and mediocre and all the Dalek stories fit into that 90%.
    Very very true. I think Doomsday was a great episode because it was the first episode which at least I saw with more than one enemy (Cybermen and Dalek), which was exciting in itself, and the episode was also emotional due to Rose buggering off to Darlig Ulv Stranden.

    I also agree with what you said about "Dalek". One Dalek by itself is much more creepy and scary than a whole fleet, and the fact that the Dalek also became slightly human after Rose touched it made it that much better.
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    (Original post by VladThe1mpaler)
    It was, but it was also a mediocre episode.
    I can't actually recall any details about that episode, only tiny glimpses. And they are just like the extremely bad opening on Skaro with a Dalek-shaped building and the puppets being introduced as well as Clara.
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    (Original post by VladThe1mpaler)
    I wonder if there will ever be a decent Dalek story again under moffat as showrunner? It feels like they always either play a small part in an episode (i.e. you see them exploding and shooting things in the background) or they are in poorly written, forgettable episodes.
    Victory of the Daleks has been the only good properly focused Dalek Story and that story was mainly about getting the Daleks back into the universe.It seems to me that the whole point in bringing the Daleks back was do they could feature in cameos to fulfill the contract with Terry Nation because under RTD the Daleks couldn't just appear anywhere because they were supposedly extinct so explanations where required meaning they had to appear in full episodes. Asylum is actually the only really other Dalek focused episode and that was more about Rory and Amy's relationship and that is one of the worst episodes of all time and seemed to suggest that Moffat didn't have a clue about Daleks-the lines the Daleks were saying were hard to believe and completely out of sync with usual Dalek discussions.I am also concerned that here hasn't been a massive onscreen Dalek extermination scene since 2008-this is what makes Daleks appear ruthless and scary to The Doctor because although He may beat them every time(almost every time in Victory He loses) every win comes at great cost to so many lives, Moffat's obsession and toning everything down to kids level with hardly any deaths is bad for Doctor Who.

    I really became a Dalek fan because when I started watching in 2006 I had saw the Cybermen and they looked tough, monsters that looked extremely hard to stop and you thought nothing could be as good as them but then I saw the Daleks slaughter the Cybermen and look completely invincible.Everyone wants to be a Dalek, they want to be able to kill people in a couple of seconds and to have armour so strong that bullets don't even leave a scratch.I often have fantasies of taking over the planet with an army of Daleks-The Daleks are an icon of superiority and dominance.When I was younger I created another monster The Critlons which were even more invincible than the Daleks, which had disintegrating guns and an unbreakable forcefield their disintegrator guns could easily destroy Daleks and the only ways to kill a Critlon are to sound a big bell or horn because they have small ears which are sensitive to sound and sound can get through the forcefield or to blow up their ship, which takes a lot of effort.
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    I actually thought the Girl in the Fireplace episode was an awful episode, but it seems I'm the only one :erm:
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    (Original post by snowyowl)
    I actually thought the Girl in the Fireplace episode was an awful episode, but it seems I'm the only one :erm:
    What is it about that you didn't like?
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    (Original post by chernid)
    What is it about that you didn't like?
    I think it was the romance with Madame de Pompadour. I have always held the view that the Doctor should be asexual and aromantic.
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    (Original post by snowyowl)
    I think it was the romance with Madame de Pompadour. I have always held the view that the Doctor should be asexual and aromantic.
    This was one of the few times when I was fine with this. I think because it was rather one sided, but she didn't moon over him á la Martha.
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    (Original post by snowyowl)
    I actually thought the Girl in the Fireplace episode was an awful episode, but it seems I'm the only one :erm:
    Interesting. I thought Rose and Micky were a little useless as they often are and that smashing mirrors of time could have been better but i thought the writing and acting was exceptional.
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    (Original post by snowyowl)
    I think it was the romance with Madame de Pompadour. I have always held the view that the Doctor should be asexual and aromantic.
    You must have hated "The Day of the Doctor" then.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Interesting. I thought Rose and Micky were a little useless as they often are and that smashing mirrors of time could have been better but i thought the writing and acting was exceptional.
    You're very right. Arthur the horse though. Who doesn't love a horse called Arthur?
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    (Original post by chernid)
    You must have hated "The Day of the Doctor" then.
    I hated that aspect of it, yes.
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    (Original post by Dalek1099)
    Moffat's obsession and toning everything down to kids level with hardly any deaths is bad for Doctor Who.
    I agree, this is one of Moffat's biggest problems and not just with Dalek stories. Since he took over the show there have been no consequences for any of the characters' actions. He relies far too heavily on the big reset button.
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    (Original post by snowyowl)
    I think it was the romance with Madame de Pompadour. I have always held the view that the Doctor should be asexual and aromantic.
    So did i. That's genuinely why i hate the rose era.
    I mean i loved the episodes don't get me wrong but i had a feeling it would pave the way for a doctor with feeling :puke:. And it did.

    Plus now i've been watching the Colin baker era (thanks to his cameo) and i have to say i like the subtext joke of this alien is flying around all these amazing places and plays her (peri's) knight in shining armour but he's just not interested. :eek: its a plot device that never gets old/less funny.
    A more recent example of this is martha.
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    (Original post by randomd_love)
    So did i. That's genuinely why i hate the rose era.
    I mean i loved the episodes don't get me wrong but i had a feeling it would pave the way for a doctor with feeling :puke:. And it did.

    Plus now i've been watching the Colin baker era (thanks to his cameo) and i have to say i like the subtext joke of this alien is flying around all these amazing places and plays her (peri's) knight in shining armour but he's just not interested. :eek: its a plot device that never gets old/less funny.
    A more recent example of this is martha.
    I just feel the "sexual" aspect of the show has brought it downhill. It's not the only thing that brings the show down but it's definitely a huge factor.

    Why are the British public so... I don't even know the word I'm looking for, but why are most people unable to enjoy a drama about space and aliens and one man saving the day through sheer intelligence and awesomeness (and a little bit of charm) without there also being something sexual? Why does he need to kiss his companions? Who do they need to fancy him? Why must he fall in love with Rose? Why? It really ruins the show for me.
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    (Original post by snowyowl)
    I just feel the "sexual" aspect of the show has brought it downhill. It's not the only thing that brings the show down but it's definitely a huge factor.

    Why are the British public so... I don't even know the word I'm looking for, but why are most people unable to enjoy a drama about space and aliens and one man saving the day through sheer intelligence and awesomeness (and a little bit of charm) without there also being something sexual? Why does he need to kiss his companions? Who do they need to fancy him? Why must he fall in love with Rose? Why? It really ruins the show for me.
    While I agree that the sexual/romantic aspects of the show should be toned down a lot, and I don't think the Doctor should have any more love interests, I'm not sure you can put this down to the British public. Or not completely at least. The public don't get to decide what goes into the show, the show runners do. They do respond to public reactions, but the choices are ultimately theirs.
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    (Original post by Feefifofum)
    While I agree that the sexual/romantic aspects of the show should be toned down a lot, and I don't think the Doctor should have any more love interests, I'm not sure you can put this down to the British public. Or not completely at least. The public don't get to decide what goes into the show, the show runners do. They do respond to public reactions, but the choices are ultimately theirs.
    I was always under the impression that they put on the show the sort of thing the British public respond best to, based on other shows on at the time. Perhaps I'm wrong :dontknow:

    Either way someone is ultimately to blame for this and I'm not happy! :hitler:
 
 
 
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