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    A couple more graphics from Wales.

    2nd places in constituencies:


    3rd places in constituencies:


    Of course what these don't show is the margins between the parties.
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    A couple more graphics from Wales.

    2nd places in constituencies:


    3rd places in constituencies:


    Of course what these don't show is the margins between the parties.
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    R.I.P Welsh Lib Dems
    Hopefully they'll make a comeback one day.
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    R.I.P Welsh Lib Dems
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    John McDonnell calls on Labour to back proportional representation

    Hooray! Hooray! Hooray! Not sure what's happened to John McDonnell in the last couple of weeks but he seems to be becoming even slightly sensible.

    Interesting list of other backers as well though.

    The problem will be deciding which system to use – the additional member system is far better than the single transferable vote.
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    John McDonnell calls on Labour to back proportional representation

    Hooray! Hooray! Hooray! Not sure what's happened to John McDonnell in the last couple of weeks but he seems to be becoming even slightly sensible.

    Interesting list of other backers as well though.

    The problem will be deciding which system to use – the additional member system is far better than the single transferable vote.
    He knows its the only way to give the left much influence in the medium term
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    John McDonnell calls on Labour to back proportional representation

    Hooray! Hooray! Hooray! Not sure what's happened to John McDonnell in the last couple of weeks but he seems to be becoming even slightly sensible.

    Interesting list of other backers as well though.

    The problem will be deciding which system to use – the additional member system is far better than the single transferable vote.
    Personally I'd back straight PR using Saint lauge. AMS is very confusing to a lot of people as wouldn't likely be rejected in a referendum.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Personally I'd back straight PR using Saint lauge. AMS is very confusing to a lot of people as wouldn't likely be rejected in a referendum.
    AMS is actually used right now in Scotland and Wales, it's quick and easy and constituency MPs remain.
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    AMS is actually used right now in Scotland and Wales, it's quick and easy and constituency MPs remain.
    AMS is probably the most preferable out of the PR systems; it gives smaller parties a chance to make an impact in Parliament, and constituency MPs remain which allows constituents to have a representative set in stone.
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    AMS is actually used right now in Scotland and Wales, it's quick and easy and constituency MPs remain.
    Oh I sorta understand the system... But I feel you'd have complaints and confusion. Either constituancies would need to get much bigger, probably covering half a county in most cases, or parliament would need to grow massively.

    Then if we look at regional votes where people are less likely to vote tactically you get:
    Party | %age of votes | %age of seats: under AMS |
    Labour | 36.9 | 48.3
    Plaid | 17.9 | 20
    Tory's | 22.5 | 18.3
    UKIP | 4.6 | 11.7
    Lib dems | 8 | 1.7
    Greens | 3.4 | 0
    Others | 6.7 | 0

    That's a total error of 41.1% not very proportional is you ask me.

    Also I don't buy the constituancy MP argument because ultimately MPs serve their party over their constituents which isn't how it should be.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Oh I sorta understand the system... But I feel you'd have complaints and confusion. Either constituancies would need to get much bigger, probably covering half a county in most cases, or parliament would need to grow massively.

    Then if we look at regional votes where people are less likely to vote tactically you get:
    Party | %age of votes | %age of seats: under AMS |
    Labour | 36.9 | 48.3
    Plaid | 17.9 | 20
    Tory's | 22.5 | 18.3
    UKIP | 4.6 | 11.7
    Lib dems | 8 | 1.7
    Greens | 3.4 | 0
    Others | 6.7 | 0

    That's a total error of 41.1% not very proportional is you ask me.
    The proportionality of it depends upon the balance. If you go 2:1 constituency:regional like in Wales it is only semi-proportional. If you go 50:50 with overhang seats like in Germany it can be 100% proportional.
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    The proportionality of it depends upon the balance. If you go 2:1 constituency:regional like in Wales it is only semi-proportional. If you go 50:50 with overhang seats like in Germany it can be 100% proportional.
    I still don't buy the constituancy MP argument, however I wouldn't at the same time want to stop independent MP's running.

    And you still haven't answered the question about needed a much bigger HoC.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    I still don't buy the constituancy MP argument, however I wouldn't at the same time want to stop independent MP's running.

    And you still haven't answered the question about needed a much bigger HoC.
    You would have larger constituencies. This is not for the most part likely to cause a problem.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    I still don't buy the constituancy MP argument, however I wouldn't at the same time want to stop independent MP's running.

    And you still haven't answered the question about needed a much bigger HoC.
    So, without looking them up, just off the top of your head, who are your MEPs and who is/are your MP(s)?
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    Gutted Kirsty Williams resigned too
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    Gutted Kirsty Williams resigned too
    I presume Mark Williams will take it over as the only other Lib Dem parliamentarian in Wales.

    Real shame about Kirsty though, the best damn member of that Assembly.
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    I presume Mark Williams will take it over as the only other Lib Dem parliamentarian in Wales.

    Real shame about Kirsty though, the best damn member of that Assembly.
    Aye, he's Acting Leader for now but it may well be a Councillor taking over permanently.

    She was a great leader of the Welsh Party though. A lot of the Welsh people in the Liberal Youth groups I'm in on the likes of Facebook were absolutely devastated.
 
 
 
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