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    For our first XI, we need a GK (not a priority but ideal), CM, winger (??) and a striker.

    For rotation options we need a fullback and a striker who does not get injured. Maybe a CM.

    Thoughts? Klopp will need a couple of years as there are too many changes to be made. Priority is first choice CM and striker though.
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    (Original post by sr90)
    I'll be stunned if Klopp doesn't sign at least 2 players this window.

    You're going to have a huge clearout this summer like we did after the Moyes season. Much like with us, it isn't going to be fixed in one window.
    2 first team players? How much is that going to cost us?

    Rather we spent better in the summer than waste money now.

    (Original post by Pimped Butterfly)
    Yeah, known for it. He's not really been tested defensively yet but there's a chance he has a first team career here. His end product is great.

    Firmino was good today as well, 3 games in a row that he's put Benteke through for a 1 on 1 and Benteke has flopped it.

    Benteke is a good, top half PL striker. We didn't overvalue him or undervalue him. He's just short on confidence right now. Give him time.
    Benteke will always be a 1 in 2 striker which is a decent return. He's better suited to playing in a bottom half team where he will have more time or space - his first touch is too poor to flourish in a side like ours aiming for top 4. I think he'd struggle in our, Spurs or Man Utd side but would do well in Arsenal's (less reliance on all round game and more chances created in the box).

    He's essential a big target man but also a penalty box specialist. I think we need more because our 3 forwards behind him dont score enough.

    He would work well in a two man strike force or a direct team like West Ham or WBA but I can't see how he can ever be that quality striker in a Klopp side.
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    (Original post by Vaginal_Rights)
    Coming from a United fan :toofunny:

    You'll say anything to get your ego back up...
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    Almost as bad as you.
    Benteke almost as bad as Rooney.
    Makes no sense considering we're above you having played less games
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    Really Firmino would be useful in solving the Benteke issue if he chipped in some more(even though he is a good player in general, he had a good goalscoring rate at Hoffenheim which was probably what Rodgers was looking at when he bought him).
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    Jurgen Klopp "We will win the league within 3 years"

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    (Original post by jam277)
    Yeah he can definitely have a future at Pool. Moreno is most likely going to stay as a starter for the next few years at least.

    One thing about Benteke is that I don't think he should be the type of player who is solely judged on his goal output. Firmino, Coutinho and co should be scoring more. His finishing/composure does need to be more consistent though. He's clearly capable of some incredible goals.



    Hard to find a Suarez but remember Suarez took a good 18 months to heat up and become a goal machine at Liverpool, also Ibrahimovic is taller than Benteke, Cavani is 2cm shorter, same for Diego Costa, Drogba is 1cm shorter.
    Those players you mentioned can run.
    Benteke body posture is quite bizarre. His upper body compared to the lower half look complete opposites lol.

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    (Original post by Pimped Butterfly)
    Klopp has already talked about the opposite, that he doesn't want a huge clear out and how important he thinks continuity within the squad is.

    We need one striker, one CM and a back up CB, maybe an RB and maybe a GK. The only players leaving will be maybe Benteke (don't see why because we won't get the right fee back for him), Lucas, Allen and Kolo. Allen and Kolo don't even play so there won't be any of that.
    I think Klopp has the right idea. We've chopped and changed so much every year since Rafa and it doesn't work. New players always need to settle at the club/in the league and then also adjust to team mates.

    I can't see us buying a striker, CB or GK this January. A fullback this January (whether on loan or bought) would be good since we're screwed if Clyne/Moreno are injured. A CM would be good but hard to judge who we buy. All of our midfield players look good next to Henderson but we lack a little something when he's missing.

    No doubt Klopp will look to the German market. Not sure how much I trust our current transfer committee/scouting..
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    (Original post by jam277)
    Yeah he can definitely have a future at Pool. Moreno is most likely going to stay as a starter for the next few years at least.

    One thing about Benteke is that I don't think he should be the type of player who is solely judged on his goal output. Firmino, Coutinho and co should be scoring more. His finishing/composure does need to be more consistent though. He's clearly capable of some incredible goals.
    I don't think Moreno's position is sure. He doesn't have enough end product, even if he's a willing runner.

    The main question with Benteke has been his finishing of easy chances. Scores wondergoals with near-regularity.
    (Original post by Zerforax)
    Benteke will always be a 1 in 2 striker which is a decent return. He's better suited to playing in a bottom half team where he will have more time or space - his first touch is too poor to flourish in a side like ours aiming for top 4. I think he'd struggle in our, Spurs or Man Utd side but would do well in Arsenal's (less reliance on all round game and more chances created in the box).He's essential a big target man but also a penalty box specialist. I think we need more because our 3 forwards behind him dont score enough.He would work well in a two man strike force or a direct team like West Ham or WBA but I can't see how he can ever be that quality striker in a Klopp side.
    When he's confident, his first touch is good too. To be honest if you're looking at strikers doing better than 1 in 2, you're looking at something pretty special. We don't have that draw right now. Benteke and the forwards behind him should come to a playing style compromise rather than us looking (pointlessly) for a striker better than him.


    The main problem with Benteke is his lack of confidence, as I've mentioned before. A confident striker scores all of the chances that Benteke has missed in the last 3 games. He just needs that belief in himself again. His build up play was excellent under Rodgers at the start of the season, and he has shown an improved willingness to make runs in behind the defence. It's not going to be an overnight transformation to go from a Carroll-esque player to a Lewandowski but he's getting there slowly.

    Leave aside all criticisms of whether he fits into our playing style, everything would be ignored if he just scored the simple chances. He hasn't, and that's a confidence problem. Give him time, let it come back to him, and then assess him.

    Our build up play regardless of Benteke is ****ing awful btw, Coutinho has been disgraceful the last few games. He shoots more than any other player in the league and has a pitiful goals haul to show for it. We really struggle with creating good chances inside the box and that's not on Benteke alone, his movement was better today but the delivery was awful till Smith came on.
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    I think Klopp has the right idea. We've chopped and changed so much every year since Rafa and it doesn't work. New players always need to settle at the club/in the league and then also adjust to team mates.

    I can't see us buying a striker, CB or GK this January. A fullback this January (whether on loan or bought) would be good since we're screwed if Clyne/Moreno are injured. A CM would be good but hard to judge who we buy. All of our midfield players look good next to Henderson but we lack a little something when he's missing.

    No doubt Klopp will look to the German market. Not sure how much I trust our current transfer committee/scouting..
    The injuries and fatigue with which we came into this game must be noted. We don't need a kneejerk reaction.

    Henderson-Can seems to be our starting midfield and it's not bad, but it's not top quality either. There needs to be competition in there. Henderson makes us instantly better but it's still debatable whether he's good enough for a title-chasing team, which is what we aspire to be. We could definitely do with a top drawer CM.

    We don't need a personnel overhaul, just time to get used to Klopp's tactics.
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    (Original post by jam277)
    Yeah he can definitely have a future at Pool. Moreno is most likely going to stay as a starter for the next few years at least.

    One thing about Benteke is that I don't think he should be the type of player who is solely judged on his goal output. Firmino, Coutinho and co should be scoring more. His finishing/composure does need to be more consistent though. He's clearly capable of some incredible goals.



    Hard to find a Suarez but remember Suarez took a good 18 months to heat up and become a goal machine at Liverpool, also Ibrahimovic is taller than Benteke, Cavani is 2cm shorter, same for Diego Costa, Drogba is 1cm shorter.
    Repped, but don't agree with the Suarez comment. He was ace from the first minute he stepped on the pitch for us.
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    (Original post by RVNmax)
    Repped, but don't agree with the Suarez comment. He was ace from the first minute he stepped on the pitch for us.
    In terms of goals, he wasn't. His season under Dalglish his finishing was pretty poor, which was more what I was getting at. Although he was a very good player from the offset.
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    (Original post by Pimped Butterfly)
    I don't think Moreno's position is sure. He doesn't have enough end product, even if he's a willing runner.

    The main question with Benteke has been his finishing of easy chances. Scores wondergoals with near-regularity.
    When he's confident, his first touch is good too. To be honest if you're looking at strikers doing better than 1 in 2, you're looking at something pretty special. We don't have that draw right now. Benteke and the forwards behind him should come to a playing style compromise rather than us looking (pointlessly) for a striker better than him.


    The main problem with Benteke is his lack of confidence, as I've mentioned before. A confident striker scores all of the chances that Benteke has missed in the last 3 games. He just needs that belief in himself again. His build up play was excellent under Rodgers at the start of the season, and he has shown an improved willingness to make runs in behind the defence. It's not going to be an overnight transformation to go from a Carroll-esque player to a Lewandowski but he's getting there slowly.

    Leave aside all criticisms of whether he fits into our playing style, everything would be ignored if he just scored the simple chances. He hasn't, and that's a confidence problem. Give him time, let it come back to him, and then assess him.

    Our build up play regardless of Benteke is ****ing awful btw, Coutinho has been disgraceful the last few games. He shoots more than any other player in the league and has a pitiful goals haul to show for it. We really struggle with creating good chances inside the box and that's not on Benteke alone, his movement was better today but the delivery was awful till Smith came on.
    Well I think either you are a better than 1 in 2 striker and therefore a team can be built around you or you are less than a 1 in 2 striker and therefore you have to adapt to the team to get the overall best team output or you have to contribute to the all-round team game. There's a reason why poachers (like Inzaghi/Owen) went out of fashion in the game for mid-table teams - because if you are carrying a player but the other team have 11 hardworkers then you are already at a disadvantage.

    The issue is that we bought Benteke and whether it was with the old squad or the new manager, the player doesn't look like he fits either (when ideally we need him to fit both).

    Of course confidence and scoring goals will gloss over other issues. I'm not convinced he's getting there slowly. If anything, the longer this continues the more the fans and probably his teammates will be exasperated by him which will only further hurt his confidence. The manager has already put in Firmino, Origi and Sturridge ahead of him when possible. Frankly if all 4 or 5 of our strikers were fit, I'm not convinced Klopp would be willing to persist with him.

    Agreed about Coutinho - he gets into the side because of his reputation and our lack of options. Ideally we'd leave him out of a few games to get a rest/kick up his backside.

    I'm not sure how we get Benteke's confidence up in the mean time. Personally I'd be surprised if he was still here past the summer but we need to make the best of what we have (he's still one of the better strikers in the league under all that somewhere).

    (Original post by Pimped Butterfly)
    The injuries and fatigue with which we came into this game must be noted. We don't need a kneejerk reaction.

    Henderson-Can seems to be our starting midfield and it's not bad, but it's not top quality either. There needs to be competition in there. Henderson makes us instantly better but it's still debatable whether he's good enough for a title-chasing team, which is what we aspire to be. We could definitely do with a top drawer CM.

    We don't need a personnel overhaul, just time to get used to Klopp's tactics.
    Shouldn't forget that West Ham away is one of the harder fixtures. They had injury problems during their recent bad runs but players are coming back for them now too. Few teams will come away with max points from the Xmas period but the performance was pretty concerning too.

    Henderson is still only 25. Players in that position typically peak around 26-28 and I think we've seen a big improvement when Gerrard was out/since he left. I'd happily build my team around Henderson and I think he could be good enough for a title challenging midfield in a couple of years. For me the improvement would be on Can who still has some development to go. Klopp has gone back to a midfield two rather than three man midfield which is interesting.

    With all our injuries we don't have lots of options to try different options. In the ideal world, it would've been nice to try a front three of Sturrdge, Origi and Ibe.

    Another game in 3 days time which isn't going to help the fatigue.
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    Another anonymous game from Firmino. £29m on him looks like even worse business than Benteke.

    FWIW, I don't think we'll sign anyone this January. Barring Sturridge and Coutinho I don't think we ever made another January signing under Rodgers.

    By god, we need to though. Our squad is in an absolute state.
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    News about Grujic seems promising and whispers about Ter Stegen sound even better.

    Yet to see a wholly reliable source for either but I'd be extremely impressed if we managed to secure the latter. He wouldn't come cheap though, you'd have to say at least £15-20m?
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    I think that Klopp has been lying about not feeling he needs to change the squad too much. He's been trying to motivate the players to improve (which happened to an extent initially) but its true that you really can't polish a turd.

    I can't see us doing much business in January, although if we want a shot at the top 4 we need some new faces. The only players who should be safe for next season in my opinion are Sakho, Clyne, Henderson and Coutinho. Everyone else's position should be up for grabs with a quality GK, CB, CM and ST (spine of the team) a must if we want to compete again. The fact that we are struggling to compete with the likes of Leicester, West Ham, Palace, Watford and Stoke speaks volumes about the mismanagement of the club (both on and off field) in recent years.
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    (Original post by xHitmanx)
    I think that Klopp has been lying about not feeling he needs to change the squad too much. He's been trying to motivate the players to improve (which happened to an extent initially) but its true that you really can't polish a turd.

    I can't see us doing much business in January, although if we want a shot at the top 4 we need some new faces. The only players who should be safe for next season in my opinion are Sakho, Clyne, Henderson and Coutinho. Everyone else's position should be up for grabs with a quality GK, CB, CM and ST (spine of the team) a must if we want to compete again. The fact that we are struggling to compete with the likes of Leicester, West Ham, Palace, Watford and Stoke speaks volumes about the mismanagement of the club (both on and off field) in recent years.
    Tbh I wouldn't bank on Clyne and Sakho, they've been sloppy recently and throughout the season tbh. Can's a certainty though, and unfortunately it seems Mignolet as well being what seems as Klopp's right hand men without Hendo. It'll be interested to see if we retain either of Lucas or Milner, who'd both make a good squad, but probably wouldn't want to settle for that. Coutinho is reminding me a bit of Babel at the moment, always cuts in, never creates any width and is not fulfilling his potential. I think he needs a holiday like Sterling had lol.

    tbf, everyone seems to be struggling to the likes of them. Of course it is a concern we don't even work the keeper in those games and get done on every other counter, but I did fell West Ham would always have more energy than us given the extra two days rest. Like really, did we have to be the last team to play the previous GW Wed 20:00 and the first team in the next, Sat 12:45. Now that it has already affected us, it's going to be tough on our team with the next few games coming thick and fast.

    Btw, Flanagan was back in action for the U21s. It's been long injury for him, but I hope he can challenge Clyne for the RB slot at some point this season. Speaking of long term injuries, we've had as much luck as Arsenal atm with Ings, Gomez and Sturridge, do you think we are missing Zaf Iqbal?
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    (Original post by Lúcio)
    News about Grujic seems promising and whispers about Ter Stegen sound even better.

    Yet to see a wholly reliable source for either but I'd be extremely impressed if we managed to secure the latter. He wouldn't come cheap though, you'd have to say at least £15-20m?
    I thought Grujic was done? Or you mean news about is potetial? We won't see him till the summer in any event.

    Always tough to have 2 keepers in their prime in a team. Ter Stregen was always going to want to leave after ending up behind Bravo.

    He had 3 full seasons as Monchengladbach's first choice keeper so was always going to struggle to become a reserve keeper.
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    Just getting a chance to post after that horrible, horrible day yesterday. We were so totally abject. The worst thing is that the players behind Benteke don't seem able to conjure up anything, and I really don't know where the goals are coming from in the final third.

    Benteke wasn't the issue yesterday, despite him never looking like scoring. Coutinho, Firmino and Ibe are a trio which - currently, at least - wouldn't seem to know a goal if it came along and bit them on the arse. The latter has been anonymous for far too long now, and seems to relish the chance to fire off pot shots from range as if he will always save us by banging in a Hollywood equaliser or winner.

    Our build-up play was poor yesterday, but credit to West Ham. I still think they're a side there for the taking. They've done the double over us now, and that's three losses in four games to them. Yesterday they played with such simplicity and were almost laughing in our faces, in truth.

    They had a dominant man in the box in Carroll, and duly laid on two supreme balls for headed goals. Sure, we need to stop those crosses at the source, but it was an effective gameplan.

    All sides concede - and all sides concede goals like yesterday, with a big lad firing home after a delicious delivery. The issue is, we're conceding too early away from home. And we never score the second goal. That kills momentum - and we've seen it at Newcastle, Watford and now West Ham.

    It was pace and trickery that was needed yesterday, but we had none (Benteke leading the line obviously doesn't help) despite Ibe's inclusion over Lallana, which was sensible. I didn't see Ibe run at a defender all game, for ****'s sake.

    Playing Lucas in that two-man midfield didn't help, and he was ran ragged throughout, which increased Can's workload (I actually thought he was a rare highlight on a dismal day) and made the opponents bypass our midfield all too easily. That led to West Ham finding their assisters in the wide areas, which meant Clyne and Moreno were facing a barrage and a deluge throughout the 90.

    Oh, and lastly, goalscoring is such an issue. Only five teams have scored less than us, and the record of 22 goals after 20 games is the worst in our entire history.
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    Main thing is going to be beating Man Utd and Spurs when they come to Anfield.

    Hoping it all clicks for Klopp at some point..
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    Grujic set for his medical tomorrow, before being loaned back to Red Star for the rest of the season.
 
 
 
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