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    And what is this pic supposed to be.


    I am entitled to have my own opinions.
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    (Original post by Rat_Bag)
    If you believe it is a choice, do you therefore concede at some point in the future, in the right conditions, you might end up choosing to be gay?
    No, I know myself better than anyone else, therefore, I will never be gay.

    I don't see any sexual attraction to the people of the same sex as me.
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    (Original post by Blackstarr)
    well, when I see people(friends and secondary groups) of the same sex as me and see nothing sexual in them.
    So you admit it isn't a choice at all! Great turnaround there
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    (Original post by farhiyaserar)
    the thing we as muslims just cant stand by and watch one of our sisters go down the wrong path. same way you wouldnt like it if one your family members are doing something wrong or harmful.
    it doesnt matter if she takes the advice or if she doesnt, we still need to let her know that what she is doing isnt whats good for in the long run. this applies to all muslims sinning not just the ones leaving Islam. we're sister/brotherhood who are supposed guide/ not force!! and it is a sin for us to just watch someone sin.
    Why isn't it good in the long run?
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    (Original post by Rat_Bag)
    So you admit it isn't a choice at all! Great turnaround there
    No, its a choice because I see nothing in girls.
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    In life everyone makes choices. For instance I do my hair a certain way, wear what I want, eat what I like.


    All these things are choices.
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    (Original post by Muhammad Shehzar)
    I meant to say a book in Arabic. Allah chose his last book to be arabic bcz it is one of the most difficult language.. If u just know something about it.. Its grammar is the most difficult one, so Allah chose it for the people so that they cannot say it is wrong.
    This is another unanswered question.

    If Allah is sending down his final revelation, meant as required reading for all people and all times, why did he write it in a language that is so difficult to understand and impossible to translate effectively? Why not use a more versatile language, and a culture with an established tradition of written records?

    Also, surely the best way of proving that the Quran is of divine origin is to put something in it that is unexplainable except by the supernatural - yet there is nothing.

    A subjective claim of comparability is meaningless.
    Who decides whether the passage is like the Quran?
    It cannot be any Muslim because they have a vested interest in rejecting any claim. Simply by accepting any challenger means that they have disproved their own religion. It would never happen.
    Likewise, it cannot be a non-Muslim because Muslims would simply disagree and claim that the judge was biased against Islam.
    The "test" is impossible to judge and therefore is worthless as a test of divine origin.

    Moreover, why is inimitability a sign of divine origin? There is much literature that cannot be matched in its various qualities. Does that mean that all those books were authored by god?

    Like u cant believe that Quraan is correct.. how can we believe u that u have read a book better than Quraan.. We were also not present at the time when u read the books that u say were better than Quraan.. as u cant believe Quraan cz u were not present 1400 years ago..
    Essentially, you are agreeing with my points above. You accept that such claims rely simply on the opinion or word of an individual or group.
    This approach is fundamentally flawed and suffers from the unsophicticated logic apparent in much of the Quran and Islamic apologetics. People, as you do, simply agree with it because it appears to support their position, but you don't analyse it to see if it is logically coherent.
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    (Original post by Blackstarr)
    No, its a choice because I see nothing in girls.
    You choose to see nothing, or it comes naturally that you see nothing?
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    (Original post by Blackstarr)
    No, I will never have sex with another woman as I don't think is right and whilst I may find some pretty I am not sexually attracted to them.
    So you didn't choose to be straight, it's just the way you are.

    Why does this not apply to gay people as well? Why just you?

    but we should not forget those who were actually straight but now they are gay, this is a possibility that we can't deny.
    Give some examples of people who were 100% straight and then chose to become gay.

    You seem to be getting confused with your definitions.
    I agree that people can choose to act upon their sexuality, but that sexuality is part of who they are, or as you would say, how god made them.

    In order to invest in a sexual and emotional relationship with someone, there needs to be some sexual and emotional attraction. If that attraction is not there, you cannot choose to invent it.
    It is a ridiculous and illogical idea.
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    (Original post by Blackstarr)
    well, when I see people(friends and secondary groups) of the same sex as me and see nothing sexual in them.
    So, if you had felt a sexual attraction to people of the same sex, you could have "decided" to be gay.

    This is just question-begging circulsr logic.
    Your are saying that you need to be attracted to the same sex, to be able to choose to be gay.
    In other words, you need to be gay to be able to choose to be gay!
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    (Original post by Blackstarr)
    And what is this pic supposed to be.


    I am entitled to have my own opinions.
    Its not an opinion.
    Its ignorance.
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    (Original post by QE2)
    So, if you had felt a sexual attraction to people of the same sex, you could have "decided" to be gay.

    This is just question-begging circulsr logic.
    Your are saying that you need to be attracted to the same sex, to be able to choose to be gay.
    In other words, you need to be gay to be able to choose to be gay!
    Actually no, do you not see that most things that happen in life are because of the choices we make, whether good or bad.

    The one only things in life that no one can make choice about is your ethnicity and whether your female or male.

    People choose to be gay because they don't see themselves attracted to the opposite sex, its s choice, you are not born automatically gay, like there is no "gene" in any new born baby labelled as the "gay gene".

    Edit: Excuse my spag(lol) was typing fast.
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    (Original post by Rat_Bag)
    You choose to see nothing, or it comes naturally that you see nothing?
    It both tbh .
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    (Original post by QE2)
    So you didn't choose to be straight, it's just the way you are.

    Why does this not apply to gay people as well? Why just you?

    Give some examples of people who were 100% straight and then chose to become gay.

    You seem to be getting confused with your definitions.
    I agree that people can choose to act upon their sexuality, but that sexuality is part of who they are, or as you would say, how god made them.

    In order to invest in a sexual and emotional relationship with someone, there needs to be some sexual and emotional attraction. If that attraction is not there, you cannot choose to invent it.
    It is a ridiculous and illogical idea.

    You can chose to be attracted to anyone so, its a choice.

    And I don't think I know someone who was 100% straight, we all question our sexuality sometimes however, those who are decisive are making choices.

    All life is about choices, what is so hard to understand.
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    (Original post by Cobalt_)
    Its not an opinion.
    Its ignorance.
    No, its not.

    There is no gay gene assigned to anyone before their birth.
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    (Original post by Blackstarr)
    well, when I see people(friends and secondary groups) of the same sex as me and see nothing sexual in them.
    Thats not you choosing to not be sexually attracted to them though is..just like you dont and didnt choose to be sexually attracted to the opposite sex. Puberty came along and nature takes its path
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    Thats not you choosing to not be sexually attracted to them though is..just like you dont and didnt choose to be sexually attracted to the opposite sex. Puberty came along and nature takes its path
    It is me choosing because I am a female and have the same sexual features as other females so, why should I be attracted to what I have? see, it makes no sense.
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    (Original post by Blackstarr)
    It both tbh .
    Really?

    So when you see an attractive woman you are forcing yourself by choice not to feel attracted to her? Really?
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    (Original post by Blackstarr)
    In life everyone makes choices. For instance I do my hair a certain way, wear what I want, eat what I like.


    All these things are choices.
    And some things are not choices, such as the natural colour of your hair and who you feel attracted to.
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    (Original post by Blackstarr)
    It is me choosing because I am a female and have the same sexual features as other females so, why should I be attracted to what I have? see, it makes no sense.
    You choose your sexuality like you choose to be hungry. There never came a day when you decided "hmmm i think i might find that man sexually attractive".
 
 
 
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