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    Hey guys, just thought I'd come and join the party.
    First, the argument about Whites having a larger cranial capacity and/or brain size than Blacks is irrelevant - as any biology student could tell you, it's not the brain size that matters, it's the number of neural pathways within the brain.
    Also, something from my own experience - a Black girl in my senior school is the smartest girl in the whole school. She has a diploma in violin and is predicted to get >10 A* GCSEs.
    And one of my best friends from junior school, a girl from Ghana, played the best game of chess I've ever seen, trouncing me, older children and our chess teacher every single time. She was basically a mastermind - and she had serious skill at science.
    I've known three Black kids who could join Mensa, and for all I know, probably already have. One enjoys degree-level chemistry and wants to go to Harrow.
    Lastly, again in Junior school, a Black boy won the prize for mathematics and was in Maths Enrichment (a gifted and talented group that I was also in).
    Given that Blacks are a tiny minority at our school compared to Whites, South and East Asians, they represent a disproportionate percentage of our gifted students. Just thought I'd put that out there.
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    (Original post by HanSoloLuck)
    So now you are boiling your argument down to 'correlation doesn't equal causation' ?

    Sometimes it is a very good indication though, this does nothing for anyone's position. It could equally be turned on any of the apologetic arguments we have heard so far.

    The stats should be taken in corroboration with all other evidence, the other evidence also does point toward a racial pattern, and not a socioeconomic one, being the catalyst.
    Says who?

    Pretty much any study I have ever read on this says otherwise.

    Or how else do you explain that within subgroups of the same race, i.e. poor white people have lower IQs than rich white people? Oh right, for you it's they are poor because they are stupid.

    This is incredible. I will mute you, else I'd just get a warning for replying how I really think of your "arguments".
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    1. I have never disputed that black people commit more crime, I have written several essays about it, I'm aware of that.
    2. You provided a lot of links about health. Who mentioned health?
    3.Most importantly, none of those links prove your racist comment about black people acting ghetto and having no chance of being a banker...where's the source for that?
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    (Original post by HucktheForde)
    What about an irish accent?

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    There is a difference between a accent and speaking incorrectly
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    (Original post by inhuman)
    Says who?

    Pretty much any study I have ever read on this says otherwise.

    Or how else do you explain that within subgroups of the same race, i.e. poor white people have lower IQs than rich white people? Oh right, for you it's they are poor because they are stupid.

    This is incredible. I will mute you, else I'd just get a warning for replying how I really think of your "arguments".
    Socioeconomic status can be a factor, but this is predicated on IQ relative to other groups to first establish a hierarchy.

    Even then it has been within the power of other demographics to attain an average or above average IQ in a fraction of the time that blacks have had, despite starting from a similair level, and still they have not caught up. Irish, Chinese etc.

    Add to this that this racial Iq pattern is not localised, its a global phenomenon. It seems obvious that it's racial.
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    This whole thread is racist. I appreciate some people are trying to defend blacks and their intelligence, but there are too many racists on the thread for it to be a productive and logical discussion.

    If you are discussing black people and intelligence, many factors have to be taken into account. For a start, during times of slavery, the blacks were not allowed to be educated as the slave masters felt as though this would give blacks 'ideas' of trying to escape from slavery (people still had these ideas anyway because naturally there would've been smart members of the group coming up with innovative ideas i.e Harriet Tubman). These mentalities still exist today.

    It's a very complex topic and people always do not understand these complexities (due to ignorance) and start to say stupid irrelevant things such as 'whites have a higher IQ than blacks' which makes one sounds like a Nazi. Do black people even take IQ tests seriously, do you think they have time to think about IQ tests when they're struggling to find jobs due to institutionalised racism, do you think they care about IQ tests when they are too busy getting stopped (and maybe killed) by the police?

    Let's talk about what matters please!
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    (Original post by femalephilospher)
    This whole thread is racist. I appreciate some people are trying to defend blacks and their intelligence, but there are too many racists on the thread for it to be a productive and logical discussion.

    If you are discussing black people and intelligence, many factors have to be taken into account. For a start, during times of slavery, the blacks were not allowed to be educated as the slave masters felt as though this would give blacks 'ideas' of trying to escape from slavery (people still had these ideas anyway because naturally there would've been smart members of the group coming up with innovative ideas i.e Harriet Tubman). These mentalities still exist today.

    It's a very complex topic and people always do not understand these complexities (due to ignorance) and start to say stupid irrelevant things such as 'whites have a higher IQ than blacks' which makes one sounds like a Nazi. Do black people even take IQ tests seriously, do you think they have time to think about IQ tests when they're struggling to find jobs due to institutionalised racism, do you think they care about IQ tests when they are too busy getting stopped (and maybe killed) by the police?

    Let's talk about what matters please!
    Meanwhile, black people stereotypes everyone for having a smaller penis and physique.

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    (Original post by HucktheForde)
    Meanwhile, black people stereotypes everyone for having a smaller penis and physique.

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    Black don't do this. Black people have no such power to even create stereotypes - the media does this. You only ever hear white people talk about how black men have big penises or asian men have small ones. Don't blame the blacks for creating stereotypes, when no one even listens to blacks.

    And it's not even a stereotype that white men have small penises or small physique. Not sure where you heard that.
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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    It has nothing to do with who I am. I just follow the evidence to a conclusion without trying to impose my personal feelings onto the matter. I don't think its a particularly nice or popular truth but a truth nonetheless.
    Sure, sure
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    (Original post by pelaitsc45)
    You don't have to be clever to adapt to things well. Clearly these people are stupid compared to other countries. What did Africa amount to without white help? Or the aborigines. It seems to me that you are confusing intelligence with instinct and innate ability.
    What do you count as "White help"?
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    (Original post by inhuman)
    But it's not a truth.

    You don't follow any evidence.

    Your conclusion is wrong.

    Many people have pointed numerous flaws in your line of argumentation, and yet you still say "muh facts".

    Be ashamed of yourself, you closet racist.
    And I have out-debated every single one of them. My standpoint is the default position, ergo the burden of proof is on others.
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    (Original post by HanSoloLuck)
    Socioeconomic status can be a factor, but this is predicated on IQ relative to other groups to first establish a hierarchy.

    Even then it has been within the power of other demographics to attain an average or above average IQ in a fraction of the time that blacks have had, despite starting from a similair level, and still they have not caught up. Irish, Chinese etc.

    Add to this that this racial Iq pattern is not localised, its a global phenomenon. It seems obvious that it's racial.
    No-one is arguing that there are no IQ difference between races

    The question is how you interpret them because if you say "Well look black people have a low IQ than other races, they are not intelligent - Look at facts. I'm all about the facts. I'm Mr facts. I'm Lord Facts - Now try and prove me wrong"

    So what exactly are you saying ? Are you saying black people are separate unique race ?

    Well DNA studies do not indicate that separate classifiable subspecies (races) exist within modern humans. While different genes for physical traits such as skin and hair colour can be identified between individuals, no consistent patterns of genes across the human genome exist to distinguish one race from another.

    That's why blood transfusions and bone marrow transplants work. This is why Asians can give blood to African descended people and so on. This is why a “black ” persons blood can save an Irishman’s life with a transfusion.and do so on a daily basis.. Some blood types have an affinity for certain groups of people…but the genes are the same.

    There also is no genetic basis for divisions of human ethnicity. People who have lived in the same geographic region for many generations may have some alleles in common, but no allele will be found in all members of one population and in no members of any other.

    Many "scientists" have tried to come up with taxonomies that adequately describe human genetic variability and all have failed. This is because in any human group which is sufficiently large to be declared a subspecies (or race), genetic diversity within the group is going to be greater than genetic diversity between the group and another group. So you maybe genetically more similar to a black masai in Kenya, than your white next door neighbour.

    If I can classify 100,000 humans as a race and then discover that the genetic diversity between any two of them is as great or greater than the diversity between any one of them and any other random human on the planet, then NO, we don’t have a biological subspecies, no matter what those people look like.

    Furthermore, every advance in biology over the last 100 years has moved us farther away from some unified theory of human biological diversity, such as race. Certain scientists might still hold out hope that we’ll find a relatively small set of underlying genetic patterns someday, but that looks increasingly unlikely.

    What we know for sure is that even if these patterns eventually DO show up, they won’t be concurrent with “black”, “white”, “asian”, or anything you consider to be race. And all the smart-ass rhetoric in the world isn’t going to change that one simple fact.
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    (Original post by HanSoloLuck)
    So, this is what playing tennis without the net feels like, 'the likes of me' should know better than to argue with special folk like yourself.

    Instead of pointing to problems in the reasoning for my position, you make hyperboles and try to change the topic, that's when you aren't telling me what I think then generalizing me on for it...ffs this is just gold.


    You wont read this until tomorrow when you log on, but you should know that when you do, I'm probably still laughing.
    Everything I posted is perfectly in line with the topic, as it addresses what you and others have posted. You simply lack the guts to outright admit what you are. Overt racists are even more worthy of respect than you are
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    (Original post by BodhiUtah)
    So I was tweeted this on Twitter and had a read and don't know what to think to be honest? I agree with a lot of it but it seems well out of order. Here's an extract of the funnish bit but check it out: http://www.citysharks.co.uk/2016/05/...le-in-banking/

    Would you personally hire a black person?Possible, if they could do the job, but as soon as I hear any ghetto like language their gone. That’s why education is paramount as it irons out the poor character traits and polishes a person for a potential career in investment banking.I understand totally but most black people come from deprived backgrounds?I don’t buy into that crap you can make it wherever you’re from. If you want to kill your brain cells by listing to Beyonce and Jay Z and walk around with a knife then your damaging your own chances in life. Plenty of black people life like civilized human being’s, it’s just that black people choose to live less so. Just walk around London and your see it’s mainly always the black people that need to be avoided. Just look at the prisons, black males are just a criminal and lazy men on average.
    Definitely a generalisation, imo its racist
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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    And I have out-debated every single one of them. My standpoint is the default position, ergo the burden of proof is on others.
    No you haven't.

    No your standpoint is not the default position.
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    (Original post by inhuman)
    No you haven't.

    No your standpoint is not the default position.
    So you don't believe in evolution then?
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    (Original post by StrangeBanana)
    Slightly misleading statistic, considering native-born African-Americans are the second-least (after Hispanics) educated group. Even more so, considering there are far more native-born blacks than immigrants.

    At the end of the day, we either recognise that educational attainment mostly comes from socio-economic status rather than intelligence, or we ignore it. You can't have your cake and eat it.
    Not misleading at all, as I clearly stated "African immigrants" as opposed to Blacks in general. My point is that if Blacks are naturally stupid, those Africans would not have been able to achieve everything they have, despite being from more privileged backgrounds than African Americans. Their lack of intelligence would not have allowed it.
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    (Original post by ServantOfMorgoth)
    Are you white?
    no, im Asian so apparently im intellectually superior to everyone now.
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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    I will interpret your lack of response as a concession.
    what lack of reply? Go back.
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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    So you don't believe in evolution then?
    That has got absolutely nothing to do with your flawed logic.
 
 
 
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