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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    where in the Quran is rape condoned?
    “The believers must (eventually) win through, those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess, for (in their case) they are free from blame.” (Quran 23:1-6)

    So you can basically rape nonbelievers
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    (Original post by Tongeyyy)
    “The believers must (eventually) win through, those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess, for (in their case) they are free from blame.” (Quran 23:1-6)

    So you can basically rape nonbelievers
    this is proof that the problem is extremists taking the quran and interpreting it in their own, evil way, and not Islam

    this also does not condone rape anywhere

    read what this passage ACTUALLY MEANS here: http://www.islamic.org.uk/I4wm/sexual.htm
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    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    "most muslims aren't like that"? a 2011 UK poll suggested that 100% of muslims asked think homosexuality is "unacceptable" - and 75% of them thought people should be criminalised for insulting the prophet muhammad...and 50% thought gay people should be jailed. it's hard to not generalise with figures like those
    Who was asked in this poll? My best friend is a Muslim and she wasn't asked to take part in this poll in 2011. Can't be representative of all Muslims then can it
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    (Original post by Pinkberry_y)
    Who was asked in this poll? My best friend is a Muslim and she wasn't asked to take part in this poll in 2011. Can't be representative of all Muslims then can it
    Not sure if sarcasm
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    (Original post by European Freedom)
    This White privileged girl was raped and set on fire by a Muslim

    Attachment 574342

    Coloured people are great at playing victim, while Whites always play the villain role. Even when we're being mass raped and murdered.
    can't see this story on any news sources apart from breitbart, not sure if its accurate
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    this is proof that the problem is extremists taking the quran and interpreting it in their own, evil way, and not Islam

    this also does not condone rape anywhere

    read what this passage ACTUALLY MEANS here: http://www.islamic.org.uk/I4wm/sexual.htm
    It is very simple.
    The Quran and sunnah explicitly permit the use of female captives for sex.
    International law and the UNDHR classes the use of captives/slaves for sex as "rape" (free consent cannot be given in such a context).

    Therefore Islam condones rape.
    QED.

    It is rather disturbing that you would rather defend Islam for allowing rape, than condemn it for it. :holmes:
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    yeah the islamophobes who I blocked (QE2, inhuman) have been reporting me like crazy, probably was removed
    I never report posts. I don't need to. I just destroy them with logic.
    Like I have been doing with yours.
    Which is why you ran off crying like a baby and now refuse to come out and play.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    yeah the islamophobes who I blocked (QE2, inhuman) have been reporting me like crazy, probably was removed
    I sure haven't.

    I will report this one though as calling someone an islamophobe is slander.
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    (Original post by Pinkberry_y)
    Who was asked in this poll? My best friend is a Muslim and she wasn't asked to take part in this poll in 2011. Can't be representative of all Muslims then can it
    http://www.skepticink.com/nocrossnoc...h-muslims-100/
    complete with citations and the lot

    either your friend is secretly homophobic or you're lying, assuming they took part in this.
    I'm not saying that there are *some* muslims out there that aren't homophobic, but the *vast* majority of them, within the 90%~ figure, *are*. this is why you have this poll with 100% homophobia rates amongst a sample size of 500 muslims (in different areas)
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    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    http://www.skepticink.com/nocrossnoc...h-muslims-100/
    complete with citations and the lot

    either your friend is secretly homophobic or you're lying, assuming they took part in this.
    I'm not saying that there are *some* muslims out there that aren't homophobic, but the *vast* majority of them, within the 90%~ figure, *are*. this is why you have this poll with 100% homophobia rates amongst a sample size of 500 muslims (in different areas)
    Your article says 500 Muslims were sampled, how is that representative of anything also I'm not lying she really wasn't surveyed
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    (Original post by Pinkberry_y)
    Your article says 500 Muslims were sampled, how is that representative of anything also I'm not lying she really wasn't surveyed
    Well it is representative because there's this thing called statistics where you can make the sample size smaller to be representative of the whole population. Are you really going to argue the validity of polling done by a verified research organisation?
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    (Original post by Pinkberry_y)
    Your article says 500 Muslims were sampled, how is that representative of anything also I'm not lying she really wasn't surveyed
    Are you familiar with randomised sampling for the purposes of statistical analysis?
    Basically a sample size of a couple of thousand with give accurate data for a population of millions to within a certain level of confidence and accuracy (usually around 5% for most surveys)
    They do not have to ask every Muslim, or voter, or butter user, the questions in order to get a reasonably accurate idea of how most Muslims, voters or butter users would respond to the questions.

    The thing is, market research is a multi-billion dollar industry worldwide, and its success depends on their predictions being borne out in reality. Simply rejecting these surveys because they don't correspond to your personal position, or that of people you know, is pointless. Yours views are represented in the survey, but you are in a minority. That is all. Not everybody can be in the majority about everything, by definition. It's just how things work.
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    (Original post by Tongeyyy)
    Well it is representative because there's this thing called statistics where you can make the sample size smaller to be representative of the whole population. Are you really going to argue the validity of polling done by a verified research organisation?
    (Original post by QE2)
    Are you familiar with randomised sampling for the purposes of statistical analysis?
    Basically a sample size of a couple of thousand with give accurate data to within a certain level of confidence and accuracy (usually around 5% for most surveys)
    They do not have to ask every Muslim, or voter, or butter user, the questions in order to get a reasonably accurate idea of how most Muslims, voters or butter users would respond to the questions.

    The thing is, market research is a multi-billion dollar industry worldwide, and its success depends on their predictions being borne out in reality. Simply rejecting these surveys because they don't correspond to your personal position, of that of people you know, is pointless. Yours views are represented in the survey, but you are in a minority. That is all. Not everybody can be in the majority about everything, by definition. It's just how things work.
    Until I have worded quotes from every Muslim in the world saying the claims you've just made, I'm not going to believe a word you say
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    (Original post by Pinkberry_y)
    Your article says 500 Muslims were sampled, how is that representative of anything also I'm not lying she really wasn't surveyed
    well, prove that you're not lying. you're giving me a very hollow anecdotal claim.

    and I didn't claim it was the *most* representative sample, but are you really saying that it doesn't reflect the general views of most muslims? what figure do you predict would be more accurate then? 90%? 80%? why is it that, across all mulsim countries, they are generally much more homophobic today than other countries? I mean, with that assumption proven with all these other surveys, why are you challenging the general viewpoint (via this 2011 census) that muslims are basically the most homophobic group?
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    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    nah, come on, give me a guess of a figure. or else I'm going to assume you mean something like 95% are unaccepting. in which case, your little anecdote was very pointless in proving that the homophobia wasn't as huge as it is.
    probably in the 70-85% range in the UK. my point was this 100% figure is ridiculous

    (Original post by admonit)
    Ask your friends if they pray five times a day and when they last time were in mosque. May be they are not true Muslims... :cool:
    yep, all do! Most have completed Hajj at 13, and all observe ramadan.
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    (Original post by QE2)
    So they don't "completely accept homosexuality". Because of their religion.

    Way to refute an argument bro!
    No, not changing the way they see marriage personally isn’t the same as not completely accept it.

    (Original post by QE2)
    Except that you said that they don't completely accept it. For religious reasons.
    No, they don’t treat gay people differently to straight people. They just view the institution of marriage differently.
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    (Original post by frankielogue)
    probably in the 70-85% range in the UK. my point was this 100% figure is ridiculous.
    why not at least 90%? how many "liberal" muslims do you think exist? bear in mind that basically all muslims are raised in an environment reminiscent of the culture of the middle east in the UK, where people are *killed* for homosexuality. liberalism was based in europe, and developed over hundreds of years. liberalism isn't exactly something that a muslim, raised in a traditionally muslim environment, will just suddenly decide to switch to
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    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    why not at least 90%? how many "liberal" muslims do you think exist? bear in mind that basically all muslims are raised in an environment reminiscent of the culture of the middle east in the UK, where people are *killed* for homosexuality. liberalism was based on europe, developed over hundreds of years. liberalism isn't exactly something that a muslim, raised in a traditionally muslim environment, will just suddenly decide to switch to
    I’m trying to account for young muslims, who are generally more accepting. The figure is probably around 85% tbh
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    (Original post by frankielogue)
    yep, all do! Most have completed Hajj at 13, and all observe ramadan.
    OK. If your friends also are Arabs then it is unexplainable anomaly.
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