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    Suggestion: a more generous loans system (i.e. more maintenance money that tapers off at a higher level of parental income). Eases the short-term affordability problem, so fewer people will be deterred from going. Doesn't leave too huge a funding hole.
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    (Original post by Keckers)
    Do you include the right of self ownership as an inalienable right? That an individual is his own sovereign being?
    Since my question was ignored I will repeat it.
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    (Original post by nixonsjellybeans)
    You would be quite surprised- if only you were a fly on the internet walls of the government subforum.
    This seems to be somewhat an exaggeration. In fact, the only real issue I ever remember emerging was regarding the Nationalisation of the Water Authorities Bill.
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    (Original post by Keckers)
    Since my question was ignored I will repeat it.
    Sorry about not answering it. I didn't answer it because I don't feel I've thought about it enough to give a satisfactory answer. I'm also not totally sure what you mean exactly by the question, which isn't a fault of yours, I'm sure it's a totally legitimate question to ask, but it's probably because of my failing to comprehend what you actually mean.
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    (Original post by Mechie)
    Sorry about not answering it. I didn't answer it because I don't feel I've thought about it enough to give a satisfactory answer. I'm also not totally sure what you mean exactly by the question, which isn't a fault of yours, I'm sure it's a totally legitimate question to ask, but it's probably because of my failing to comprehend what you actually mean.
    What you mean is you want to answer but are afraid you will walk into a logical trap of your own ideologies if you accept the tenet that each man has an inalienable right to himself and his will. And by extension the produce of his labour.
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    (Original post by Keckers)
    What you mean is you want to answer but are afraid you will walk into a logical trap of your own ideologies if you accept the tenet that each man has an inalienable right to himself and his will. And by extension the produce of his labour.
    It doesn't mean that at all. It means I'm too stupid to do the argument justice. I can't say it's something I regularly think about.
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    (Original post by Mechie)
    It doesn't mean that at all. It means I'm too stupid to do the argument justice. I can't say it's something I regularly think about.
    Not everyone spends their time with their noses wedged in seventeenth and eighteenth century philosophical tracts!
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    (Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
    Not everyone spends their time with their noses wedged in seventeenth and eighteenth century philosophical tracts!
    I know, I know. I can often debate fine at first, but then someone will come out with a long, detailed post back to me and I just don't know what to say to it!
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    (Original post by Endless Blue)
    This seems to be somewhat an exaggeration. In fact, the only real issue I ever remember emerging was regarding the Nationalisation of the Water Authorities Bill.
    Hehe possibly I don't want the tories to know that though.
    Also we had allsorts of minor changes to suit both parties but the water bill was the only major issue.
    The point i'm trying to make is although we look similar we bear a fair few differences.
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    Given low levels of activity last term, can Labour guarantee that all of their seats will be filled by active members.
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    (Original post by Birchington)
    Given low levels of activity last term, can Labour guarantee that all of their seats will be filled by active members.
    Yep. It seems like changing your name didn't make much difference after all!
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    (Original post by Mechie)
    Yep. It seems like changing your name didn't make much difference after all!
    We gained a seat and vote share, Labour lost seats and lost votes since last time. Congratulations on your result, but don't gloat when you didn't make gains yourself.
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    (Original post by Birchington)
    We gained a seat and vote share, Labour lost seats and lost votes since last time. Congratulations on your result, but don't gloat when you didn't make gains yourself.
    We'll be able to manage 12 seats easier than 15 that we had last time, and 12 is still a good number of seats so I'd say it's a pretty good result for us. Sorry about the gloating, it just seems as if you thought it'd have a bigger effect than it actually did
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    Is there much competition for seats in the Labour party? I am looking for a left leaning party to join but it seems silly to join an overflowing party rather than one that is unable to fill all their seats, seeing as they all have the same core beliefs.
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    (Original post by rsplaya)
    Is there much competition for seats in the Labour party? I am looking for a left leaning party to join but it seems silly to join an overflowing party rather than one that is unable to fill all their seats, seeing as they all have the same core beliefs.
    No, they don't. The Socialists are fairly self-explanatory. Whilst Labour has some members overlapping with that, it also has for instance social democrats and the like who would place much more of an emphasis on managing capitalism than changing it. And the Greens bring an uniquely environmental and international approach to affairs. They are not at all the same. Go with whoever you most agree with, and you'll soon work your way up anyway
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    (Original post by CLS94)
    No, they don't. The Socialists are fairly self-explanatory. Whilst Labour has some members overlapping with that, it also has for instance social democrats and the like who would place much more of an emphasis on managing capitalism than changing it. And the Greens bring an uniquely environmental and international approach to affairs. They are not at all the same. Go with whoever you most agree with, and you'll soon work your way up anyway
    That's the problem though I don't know which I most agree with. I don't want a giant socialist revolution so I guess that would eliminate the Socialists? That leaves the Greens and Labour of which I have no preference.
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    (Original post by rsplaya)
    That's the problem though I don't know which I most agree with. I don't want a giant socialist revolution so I guess that would eliminate the Socialists? That leaves the Greens and Labour of which I have no preference.
    Well, what I'd do is look through the Hansard, particularly for the last couple of Parliaments, see what legislation parties put forward and which you liked. You can also look at how MPs from different parties voted on matters. And that wouldn't rule you out of the Socialists, but from what I've seen of you you probably are slightly more suited to one of the other 2
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    (Original post by rsplaya)
    That's the problem though I don't know which I most agree with. I don't want a giant socialist revolution so I guess that would eliminate the Socialists? That leaves the Greens and Labour of which I have no preference.
    Well, neither party is really socialist in nature. The Greens have a fair amount of liberalism thrown in to the pot but that's mainly because I create half of the bill discussions, as opposed to all of the members being liberals.
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    (Original post by rsplaya)
    Is there much competition for seats in the Labour party? I am looking for a left leaning party to join but it seems silly to join an overflowing party rather than one that is unable to fill all their seats, seeing as they all have the same core beliefs.
    If you're only looking for an MP seat then that just defeats the point of being here. All it does is let you vote on polls. Join a party, contribute and earn a seat.
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    (Original post by CLS94)
    Well, what I'd do is look through the Hansard, particularly for the last couple of Parliaments, see what legislation parties put forward and which you liked. You can also look at how MPs from different parties voted on matters. And that wouldn't rule you out of the Socialists, but from what I've seen of you you probably are slightly more suited to one of the other 2
    Looked in the Hansard and it has made it even more difficult to choose as both parties voted the same way on everything I looked at... Are there any major divisive issues between you both at all?
 
 
 
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