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I wish to advise members or prospective members who are present in the bar, that I have put my name forward as a candidate for the forthcoming election.
This is wonderful news.
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increase state school funding for new equipment...

seroiously?! That is an awful reason to do charity work.

by £600 at most... Being a charity only means that you can claim tax back...

understands what??
Or just allow them to use our already ****ing good equipment, and allow us to keep our charitable status... Why bother having 3 of the same thing across 3 separate schools, when you've got one school who gets charitable status and the rest of the community can use it...

Yeh, I wouldn't be doing charity work if I didn't have to through school, and if we didn't have charitable status, then we sure as hell would be charging for our facilities, and not making students do charitable work...

More than £600... This is from various sources:
Some 2,570 fee-charging schools can currently claim up to 80 per cent in their business rates due to their charitable status.

For some people, it wouldn't make much of a difference, but to a lot, it would drive them out of private school...


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There will be a folding of arms and a tapping of the foot. Nobody wants a folding of the arms and a tapping of the foot.
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Excellent. I might have to hire you if those two unruly ones in here don't behave soon.
Well, I have done some work as a bouncer a couple of times. That's a fun job - if you're big enough!

I'd hereby like to apply for position of Bouncer of the Bar to sort out the unruly and kick out he drunks.
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Well, I have done some work as a bouncer a couple of times. That's a fun job - if you're big enough!

I'd hereby like to apply for position of Bouncer of the Bar to sort out the unruly and kick out he drunks.
At 5 ft 2, I am definitely not big enough. As you obviously know what you are doing, I hereby appoint you Bouncer of the Bar.
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Excellent. I might have to hire you if those two unruly ones in here don't behave soon.
You speak as though I care...
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Or just allow them to use our already ****ing good equipment, and allow us to keep our charitable status... Why bother having 3 of the same thing across 3 separate schools, when you've got one school who gets charitable status and the rest of the community can use it...

Yeh, I wouldn't be doing charity work if I didn't have to through school, and if we didn't have charitable status, then we sure as hell would be charging for our facilities, and not making students do charitable work...

More than £600... This is from various sources:
[/FONT][/COLOR]For some people, it wouldn't make much of a difference, but to a lot, it would drive them out of private school...



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Because not all schools have private counterparts near by... And moving campuses between lessons is disruptive.

yeah and it's hardly charity if you are forced to do it is it? If you wouldn't do it anyway it shows you see it as a chore so really don't care...

how can you claim 80%?! You only claim back tax
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Well, I have done some work as a bouncer a couple of times. That's a fun job - if you're big enough!

I'd hereby like to apply for position of Bouncer of the Bar to sort out the unruly and kick out he drunks.
Yeh, you can't really kick out the barmen... unless you don;t want your salary...
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(Original post by Kittiara)
At 5 ft 2, I am definitely not big enough. As you obviously know what you are doing, I hereby appoint you Bouncer of the Bar.
Hehe, well, I'm only 5 FT 9, but I'm rather cuboid in shape all muscle, naturally ... Well, maybe that's a lie but a fair amount of it is. It's great - no-one wants to mess with you.
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Because not all schools have private counterparts near by... And moving campuses between lessons is disruptive.

yeah and it's hardly charity if you are forced to do it is it? If you wouldn't do it anyway it shows you see it as a chore so really don't care...

how can you claim 80%?! You only claim back tax
It's what many schools around us do... and actually, it's not like they're moving in between lessons - they're just coming over in the afternoons for sport, or to use our lecture hall for big talks which again, my school have organised for them...

Doesn't matter whether I wanna do it or not - it's still charity. I'm giving my time for **** all so that others benefit.
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Hehe, well, I'm only 5 FT 9, but I'm rather cuboid in shape all muscle, naturally ... Well, maybe that's a lie but a fair amount of it is. It's great - no-one wants to mess with you.
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I've got a good 5 inches on you We can take this outside later if you'd like
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My word, I'm beginning to feel a bit tipsy.
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Hehe, well, I'm only 5 FT 9, but I'm rather cuboid in shape all muscle, naturally ... Well, maybe that's a lie but a fair amount of it is. It's great - no-one wants to mess with you.
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Aye, height isn't everything. But when you're 5 ft 2 and people call you cute, it's not easy to look intimidating. I mean, kittens are cute, puppies are cute... a bouncer, not so much, preferably.
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Yeh - unfortunately, a lot of people can't afford to send their children to private schools. However, many of them who do, make a sacrifice whereby sending their child to private school means we can't do a lot of other things... It's just ignorant and short sighted to say that we shouldn't be able to get a decent education - it might not be equal to the poorer, but then nothing in this world is fair - the Greens need to realise that.
The difference between the Greens like Aph and the right is the right look at society, look at the economy and think how it can work for them, to make them a winner in society. The Greens on the other hand are scared of losing, choosing to spend their time complaining about society and thinking how it can change to produce no losers.

(Original post by mobbsy91)
Or just allow them to use our already ****ing good equipment, and allow us to keep our charitable status... Why bother having 3 of the same thing across 3 separate schools, when you've got one school who gets charitable status and the rest of the community can use it...
Or private schools could be left alone to produce academic excellence without politicians trying to destroy them. The private education sector already generates £4.7bn in tax and saves £4bn by taking some strain of state education. I think this £8.7bn combined saving is enough to justify charitable status for independent schools without forcing them to share facilities with people who did not pay for them, provide specialist teachers for schools who do not have them, or arrange joint partnerships with state schools to allow the children to mix.

It is time to end the something for nothing belief where private schools should bend over backwards to help out state education. It is a case of politicians not wanting to radically reform state education as is needed, but instead blame the dire state of education in Britain on a lack of playing fields, or specialist teachers.
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(Original post by mobbsy91)
It's what many schools around us do... and actually, it's not like they're moving in between lessons - they're just coming over in the afternoons for sport, or to use our lecture hall for big talks which again, my school have organised for them...

Doesn't matter whether I wanna do it or not - it's still charity. I'm giving my time for **** all so that others benefit.
You make it sound like they come round using all the science labs... And we need to get all schools new equipment.

yes it does, the sentiment behind it matters just as much maybe more so then the act it's self.
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The difference between the Greens like Aph and the right is the right look at society, look at the economy and think how it can work for them, to make them a winner in society. The Greens on the other hand are scared of losing, choosing to spend their time complaining about society and thinking how it can change to produce no losers.
Yeh - and yet all the time I have Aph screaming in my ear that the right are scared of change and live in the past. Rather, we just live in reality, as you say, where there are always gonna be some losers...

Or private schools could be left alone to produce academic excellence without politicians trying to destroy them. The private education sector already generates £4.7bn in tax and saves £4bn by taking some strain of state education. I think this £8.7bn combined saving is enough to justify charitable status for independent schools without forcing them to share facilities with people who did not pay for them, provide specialist teachers for schools who do not have them, or arrange joint partnerships with state schools to allow the children to mix.

It is time to end the something for nothing belief where private schools should bend over backwards to help out state education. It is a case of politicians not wanting to radically reform state education as is needed, but instead blame the dire state of education in Britain on a lack of playing fields, or specialist teachers.
Yeh, you know what - I don't know why we don't do this... Then they'd be turning the argument right round the other way and complaining that we're not taking it...
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You make it sound like they come round using all the science labs... And we need to get all schools new equipment.

yes it does, the sentiment behind it matters just as much maybe more so then the act it's self.
Well, our science labs probably are a **** ton better than in the other schools - they use all of our exceptional sports facilities, our lecture halls, and also, the worst bit. Eat our food, which I am paying for every single day.

And no it doesn't... I think charities care more about getting free labour than having to beg people to come work for them as no one wants to do it for free... get real here. How many people really wanna spend hours a day working in a charity shop - I donate to charity, I partake in charitable events which raise money, so you can't call me a **** for not helping others... I just don't want to work in a ****ing charity shop...
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Well, our science labs probably are a **** ton better than in the other schools - they use all of our exceptional sports facilities, our lecture halls, and also, the worst bit. Eat our food, which I am paying for every single day.

And no it doesn't... I think charities care more about getting free labour than having to beg people to come work for them as no one wants to do it for free... get real here. How many people really wanna spend hours a day working in a charity shop - I donate to charity, I partake in charitable events which raise money, so you can't call me a **** for not helping others... I just don't want to work in a ****ing charity shop...
You harbour a lot of hate I see, you are acting as if just because their pearents can't afford it these children are somehow inferior to you.

And yes it does. The motives absolutely matter, even more so then the act even. The fact that you do it because you are forced voids the act in my mind, you aren't doing a good deed but just fulfilling your curriculum requirements. And again if you are using charity to make yourself look good or feel better it completely voids the deed because it is selfish in origin.
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You harbour a lot of hate I see, you are acting as if just because their pearents can't afford it these children are somehow inferior to you.

And yes it does. The motives absolutely matter, even more so then the act even. The fact that you do it because you are forced voids the act in my mind, you aren't doing a good deed but just fulfilling your curriculum requirements. And again if you are using charity to make yourself look good or feel better it completely voids the deed because it is selfish in origin.
He is not acting as if the children are inferior to him, he is acting as if the state school is inferior to his school which it probably is. He has a very strong point about not wanting people to receive things for free which his parents have to pay for, just because his parents can afford to pay for them.

The only reason people partake in charity is because it makes them feel good about themselves after. Few people conduct charitable work, which makes them feel bad about themselves, on the basis their work makes difference.
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Do you go round litter picking? And no schools should be charities IMO because they actually aren't a charity...

i would win against you.
I actually agree but then i don't object to them making massive profits or paying shareholders. I'd invest in my future child's school.
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You harbour a lot of hate I see, you are acting as if just because their pearents can't afford it these children are somehow inferior to you.

And yes it does. The motives absolutely matter, even more so then the act even. The fact that you do it because you are forced voids the act in my mind, you aren't doing a good deed but just fulfilling your curriculum requirements. And again if you are using charity to make yourself look good or feel better it completely voids the deed because it is selfish in origin.
Haha, I haven't said they are inferior to me, however unlike how you like to see it, this world is not, has never been, and never will be 100% equitable and fair. Maybe I am lucky I was born into a better off family, and maybe some families have worked hard, and just been unlucky. Other families, maybe just couldn't a rats ass about working and so deserve to be where they are... That doesn't mean they are inferior to me, just that my family can afford things others can't.

If I so wanted, I could afford to fly over to America and take a week's holiday - doesn't mean that just because I can, everyone else should be able to... It's what happens - it's life. Some are rich. Some are poor. Everyone else is in between. And actually, education is an investment. For the majority, the government are investing in education for children, which the benefits may or may not come out in later life. Solely my family are investing in me. If that investment produces more than the government's investment, then why the hell would I not take it... It'll potentially mean I earn enough to provide my children with the opportunity to go to private school. Like it or not, the world revolves around supply and demand, and using price rationing to allocate products. If private school places were so much lower, demand would be greater than supply, and then it'd eventually just become a state school system...

I am in a position, where I can afford lots of Apple products - others can't. I don't see you going around telling me I shouldn't have an Apple product because it's unfair to poorer.... In the same way that doesn't mean they are inferior. The product they have may be inferior to my Apple product - doesn't mean that person is inferior to me...

You know, usually people are grateful for someone doing charity work - voluntary or not... The vast majority of people do charity work to feel good - isn't that why they do it...
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