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(Original post by Aph)
Because of tactical voting which them all from doing so. And socialism is inevitable, maybe it'll be sooner or later but it will happen. Capitalism can't last.
Why is socialism inevitable? Do you have a reason for this, or are you paying lip service to the disproven Marx?
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Why is socialism inevitable? Do you have a reason for this, or are you paying lip service to the disproven Marx?
Lots of people have different reasons, the way I see it is that people will rise up against capitalism eventually because it it a completely broken system. Once that happens socialism is the heir apparent so to speak unless something else comes along in the mean time.

Unless you belive that capitalism does work in which case we will get nowhere.
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Lots of people have different reasons, the way I see it is that people will rise up against capitalism eventually because it it a completely broken system. Once that happens socialism is the heir apparent so to speak unless something else comes along in the mean time.

Unless you belive that capitalism does work in which case we will get nowhere.
The 20th century happened. Anti capitalism is no longer an intellectually defensible position.
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(Original post by KingStannis)
The 20th century happened. Anti capitalism is no longer an intellectually defensible position.
Businesses should have a moral and social obligation to their workers. Under a capitalist system this isn't encouraged - the time will come when people realise and understand that they aren't being paid and treated fairly.
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(Original post by KingStannis)
The 20th century happened. Anti capitalism is no longer an intellectually defensible position.
Then this will be fruitless but it also puts you at odds with most of your party...
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Then this will be fruitless but it also puts you at odds with most of your party...
Who says we're anti-capitalist?
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Businesses should have a moral and social obligation to their workers. Under a capitalist system this isn't encouraged - the time will come when people realise and understand that they aren't being paid and treated fairly.
Its called 'responsible capitalism' and is a staple of big-state 'Milibandism'.
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Businesses should have a moral and social obligation to their workers. Under a capitalist system this isn't encouraged - the time will come when people realise and understand that they aren't being paid and treated fairly.
Forcing businesses to have certain obligations to their labourers and how they source capital etc, within reason, can work within the framework of capitalism. I'm more liberal than most of my Party with regards to economics, however my views are consistent with theirs on this.
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A misconception! LABOURITES, ATTACK!
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Who says we're anti-capitalist?
I could've sworn that you were... If not that makes you all blairites...
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Its called 'responsible capitalism' and is a staple of big-state 'Milibandism'.
I don't believe it is possible in a Capitalist system.
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I could've sworn that you were... If not that makes you all blairites...
There is space on the spectrum between anti-capitalist and Blairite.
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I don't believe it is possible in a Capitalist system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way
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There is space on the spectrum between anti-capitalist and Blairite.
The spectrum goes communism-socialist-blairites-centre-popularism-UKIP zone-fascism...
well in my mind and anything not anti-capitalism is at least blairite.
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Businesses should have a moral and social obligation to their workers. Under a capitalist system this isn't encouraged - the time will come when people realise and understand that they aren't being paid and treated fairly.
Aye, I agree with that.
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Eww Blair.

I thought this was the Third position at first and i was confused why you'd link me to fascist stuff.
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The spectrum goes communism-socialist-blairites-centre-popularism-UKIP zone-fascism...
well in my mind and anything not anti-capitalism is at least blairite.
That's a poorly constructed spectrum.
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I suppose you guys think that capitalism doesn't exist now because we have a minimum wage? C'mon people, think this through.
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That's a poorly constructed spectrum.
Agreed

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That's a poorly constructed spectrum.
Probably especially on the right side but the basic idea is that it's meant to be simplistic.
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