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    (Original post by Thugnificent.)

    dont play with me boy

    G-Woo has had them bangers in his locker for a while.
    I agree Giru finishing is quite good it always has been. He isn't clicnal that's the problem

    One of my favs

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    (Original post by Thugnificent.)


    dont play with me boy

    G-Woo has had them bangers in his locker for a while.
    watching a player 90 mins week in, week out for 2 years > less than 4 minute youtube comp (off which near 10% was an introduction)



    come on son you been doing the education. you know this. Giroud is not Walt Disney.

    As long as Giroud only starts in League Cup games and against Burnley its all hakuna matata though.
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    (Original post by sevchenko)
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    everyone can hit a banger once in a while. it doesn't mean anything if there's no consistency behind it.

    lets not forget:
    1. first choice striker for Arsenal and the amount of minutes he plays
    2. the midfield he sits in front of and the amount of chances which they create for him

    and for a 6ft 4 guy he doesnt score many headers does he
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    (Original post by barneystin)
    watching a player 90 mins week in, week out for 2 years > less than 4 minute youtube comp (off which near 10% was an introduction)



    come on son you been doing the education. you know this. Giroud is not Walt Disney.
    I hear ya brah. Was giving props to the lad - no one on tsr hate Jiwu more than me.
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    (Original post by barneystin)
    everyone can hit a banger once in a while. it doesn't mean anything if there's no consistency behind it.


    lets not forget:
    1. first choice striker for Arsenal and the amount of minutes he plays
    2. the midfield he sits in front of and the amount of chances which they create for him


    and for a 6ft 4 guy he doesnt score many headers does he


    That's Giroud's problem, not being clinical, that the only real criticism I can land at him.

    He's a natural finisher. The technique he employs when finishing is quite excellent.

    He doesn't score of lot of headers because he's a player who relies heavily on his technique and playing with the ball on the ground at his feet.

    Wenger has taught him how to use his strength more, This is what makes Giroud a cut above regular target men such as Carroll, Bony and Lambert
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    (Original post by sevchenko)
    That's Giroud's problem, not being clinical, that the only real criticism I can land at him.

    He's a natural finisher. The technique he employs when finishing is quite excellent.
    Agree here.

    He is a good player to have by all means. If his convertion rate improves, there is no reason why he can't bag 25+ goals this season. Pace doesn't matter any more, not with Sanchez, Walcott, Ox & Campbell.

    I have a weird feeling though, that this season he's really gonna step up. I think he recognises that he isn't the most popular with the fans and so he will feel like he has a point to prove. I think his celebration after his goal yesterday proved it..

    He gets enough chances to score pretty much once a game (literally tap ins), and if he does that.. He can get a lot of goals for us.
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    Giroud cannot be expected to be a flair striker freak of nature like an Henry because that is just not going to happen. But to suggest that he cannot be some great finisher, a conventional striker, is silly. He should be given the simple task of just holding the ball up with a physical presence for the quicker players , and scoring tap ins. That is what he's good for. He is a one-dimensional old school striker, but he is good at what he does. We just should not be expecting him to be a master of all trades striker because there are very few of those around.
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    (Original post by sevchenko)
    I agree Giru finishing is quite good it always has been. He isn't clicnal that's the problem

    One of my favs

    Wtf.

    So how can a guys finishing be good and he not be clinical? You actually serious here? The whole point of being a good finisher is being clinical, Inzaghi and Van Nistelrooy didn't shoot outside the box but they were good finishers because they were clinical. This makes no sense whatsoever.
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    (Original post by jam278)
    Wtf.

    So how can a guys finishing be good and he not be clinical? You actually serious here? The whole point of being a good finisher is being clinical, Inzaghi and Van Nistelrooy didn't shoot outside the box but they were good finishers because they were clinical. This makes no sense whatsoever.
    I think he's referring to Girouds potential. That, at times he shows brilliance when it comes to finishing. He's not consistent though, and if he was he would get a lot more goals indeed
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    (Original post by jam278)
    Wtf.

    So how can a guys finishing be good and he not be clinical? You actually serious here? The whole point of being a good finisher is being clinical, Inzaghi and Van Nistelrooy didn't shoot outside the box but they were good finishers because they were clinical. This makes no sense whatsoever.
    I think your post is little harsh

    Being clinical is all about how often you put the ball into the back of the net. Essentially how often a player converts his chances. It doesn't matter what a player's ability level is he can have a good chance conversion rate, it has almost nothing to do with natural technical skill rather intelligent positioning, good
    luck and most importantly confidence. A player may know how to finish well but certain factors prevent him from being consistency clinical best example of this is Giroud. He wouldn't be at Arsenal if he wasn't blessed with technique

    Finishing is all about the technique used to put the ball into the back of the net. Any fool can toe punt the ball into the goal but finishing is about skill. The way you balance your body before shooting or the angle of your foot when striking the ball. That sort of stuff either comes naturally or is practised extensively.

    You tend to find clinical player in the lower leagues they often lack the technique for the top levels of football. I think Jonathan Walters is a good example of what I'm trying to say here, He knows how to score goals but but may not finish goal well. I don't deny that the two attributes are very closely related.

    That's just the way I see it in fairness. Every see football in different ways.
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    (Original post by sevchenko)
    I agree Giru finishing is quite good it always has been. He isn't clicnal that's the problem

    One of my favs

    That doesn't make any sense.


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    (Original post by jam278)
    Wtf.

    So how can a guys finishing be good and he not be clinical? You actually serious here? The whole point of being a good finisher is being clinical, Inzaghi and Van Nistelrooy didn't shoot outside the box but they were good finishers because they were clinical. This makes no sense whatsoever.
    There is a difference, Bergkamp was an unbelievably good finisher, not clinical really though. RvN was the inverse.
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    been telling idiotic arsenal fans bout giroud from daaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy man, they never listen ffs. watch when wenger uses him as our starting striker.

    25+ goals this season. called it. gonna prove all you sidemen wrong.
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    (Original post by sevchenko)
    I think your post is little harsh

    Being clinical is all about how often you put the ball into the back of the net. Essentially how often a player converts his chances. It doesn't matter what a player's ability level is he can have a good chance conversion rate, it has almost nothing to do with natural technical skill rather intelligent positioning, good
    luck and most importantly confidence. A player may know how to finish well but certain factors prevent him from being consistency clinical best example of this is Giroud. He wouldn't be at Arsenal if he wasn't blessed with technique

    Finishing is all about the technique used to put the ball into the back of the net. Any fool can toe punt the ball into the goal but finishing is about skill. The way you balance your body before shooting or the angle of your foot when striking the ball. That sort of stuff either comes naturally or is practised extensively.

    You tend to find clinical player in the lower leagues they often lack the technique for the top levels of football. I think Jonathan Walters is a good example of what I'm trying to say here, He knows how to score goals but but may not finish goal well. I don't deny that the two attributes are very closely related.

    That's just the way I see it in fairness. Every see football in different ways.
    Being a good finisher is essentially being clinical. If you nutmeg the keeper, if the keeper fumbles every shot you take despite getting a hand to it so it goes in the goal you are still a good finisher. Just because somebody has the odd 30 yarder curler in the top corner doesn't make him a good finisher.

    Top finishers have to be clinical, so the likes of RVP, Hernandez, Muller and Messi are good finishers. Ronaldo too but he takes a lot of shots outside range, inside range he's generally good as a finisher.

    (Original post by Pete_91)
    There is a difference, Bergkamp was an unbelievably good finisher, not clinical really though. RvN was the inverse.
    A good finisher should be a good converter of chances. Now people will show ronaldo's relatively lower conversion rate but he shoots a lot outside of the box, inside of the box he's as good as anybody(bar Messi probz).

    Bergkamp therefore wasn't a good finisher, I'm not going to act like i've watched him enough but you're essentially saying he's a player capable of good finishes. Consistency is key and if Bergkamp wasn't consistent enough with his quality finishing then he wasn't a good finisher. RVP is a good finisher.

    It's like people saying ronaldo is a great free kick taker, when in reality he's just a taker of great free kicks.
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    (Original post by Basiji)
    been telling idiotic arsenal fans bout giroud from daaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy man, they never listen ffs. watch when wenger uses him as our starting striker.

    25+ goals this season. called it. gonna prove all you sidemen wrong.
    Because of that goal?

    Well, I don't know about the others on here but I've always been really clear about my views on Giroud.

    He's a really good squad player to have but we can't win the league with him leading our line. I would love to have him in our team, and he'd be real good to change a system throughout the game - but he doesn't put fear in the oppositions hearts.

    If AW plays Sanchez through the middle when giroud isn't working in a game then I have no problem in not buying another striker (given that Sanchez will be effective as a false 9 in the BPL)
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    (Original post by Basiji)
    been telling idiotic arsenal fans bout giroud from daaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy man, they never listen ffs. watch when wenger uses him as our starting striker.

    25+ goals this season. called it. gonna prove all you sidemen wrong.
    I hope this is a joke.

    Giroud is a good player in terms of positioning and creativity but he's a woeful striker. It seems as though you've forgotten the colossal count of chances(some may consider to be easy) he's missed. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure he had one of the worst conversion rates in the league.




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    Wow. Only 24 hours since his move and Vermaelen is already injured :lol:.
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    (Original post by Kruz)
    Wow. Only 24 hours since his move and Vermaelen is already injured :lol:.
    He picked up a knock during the world cup so I'm sure its the same muscle injury that's keeping him out.
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    (Original post by Kruz)
    Wow. Only 24 hours since his move and Vermaelen is already injured :lol:.
    I think he was carrying a niggle throughout pre season

    Either way.. Wenger be like:-

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    (Original post by little_tom)
    He picked up a knock during the world cup so I'm sure its the same muscle injury that's keeping him out.
    Oh right that explains it.
 
 
 
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