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(Original post by otester)
So it's a form of refund, lack of a better alternative unfortunately

With a near state monopoly you can't expect much from private insurers currently, however you can pay outright if you wish.



There is though, if you don't like your wage, leave, becomes your own boss, you don't get that type of freedom under a socialist system.

Otherwise stfu and get back to work.
And becoming your own boss is sp easy. If it weren't for damn socialism, we would all be millionaires .
This ccountry isn socialist either, just because we have a state healthcare
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And becoming your own boss is sp easy. If it weren't for damn socialism, we would all be millionaires .
This ccountry isn socialist either, just because we have a state healthcare
It is if you have something between your ears.

Also I'd say it's semi-capitalist/socialist.
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Moving abroad is your only option, otherwise your taxes will go to the NHS.
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Moving abroad is your only option, otherwise your taxes will go to the NHS.
Technically if you take back the same as what you're forced to put in it's irrelevant.
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It does stink of hypocrisy, yes. You used the services, and you will probably use them again if thR need arises, and yet you choose to deny the system that provides it. Asthma is not covered by private insurance, so I guess that scrapping NHS would mean that you either drop dead or pay extortionate prices for treatment?
And don't give me bull**** about private insurance being better if a state healthcare wouldn't exist.
So if you think we should nationalise food, then it's hypocritical to eat?
Likewise with trains, I presume that if you think you should nationalise trains - it's hypocritical to use them?

There's nothing hypocritical in using the services I've paid for.

You'd also think that asthma would be treated in the private sector, you know, when you have multiple companies trying to get you to pick their health insurance. The whole dynamics of the sector are different when there is a free alternative - companies don't gain an advantage in offering asthma treatment currently, but they would (indeed, they'd gain all of the asthmatics - it'd be a fantastic business opportunity).

Don't give me bull**** about the fundamentals of economics not applying without giving any reasons why.
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It is if you have something between your ears.

Also I'd say it's semi-capitalist/socialist.
Plenty of people have something between their ears, and yet fail at starting a business. Running something viable doesn't only depend on your brains, of that was a case, there would be far less closed businesses.
Besides, there would still be a need of workforce, not everyone can be a boss and make big bucks by himself
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I am considering getting private health insurance, but no longer wish to contribute to the NHS as it is the worst healthcare system in Western Europe. I do not see it as my responsibility to pay for other peoples' healthcare, when I am more than willing to pay for my own.

Is there any way I can stop the British public stealing my money to pay for their healthcare?
its part of tax so you can't stop paying. move out of the country if you want to stop paying
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So if you think we should nationalise food, then it's hypocritical to eat?
Likewise with trains, I presume that if you think you should nationalise trains - it's hypocritical to use them?

There's nothing hypocritical in using the services I've paid for.

You'd also think that asthma would be treated in the private sector, you know, when you have multiple companies trying to get you to pick their health insurance. The whole dynamics of the sector are different when there is a free alternative - companies don't gain an advantage in offering asthma treatment currently, but they would (indeed, they'd gain all of the asthmatics - it'd be a fantastic business opportunity).

Don't give me bull**** about the fundamentals of economics not applying without giving any reasons why.
Don't compare healthcare to food. They are not the same, which you should undestand. If you don't fancy an expensive restaurant meal, you could go home and cook your own food, you won't treat yourself at home when you break your leg
State does not provide it's services for profit, whereas a business will ( which any insurance company will) and even with a limited choice, you will have to pay up, for the lack of an alternative.
Offering an insurance for asthma is not profitable, why do you think it's not covered? Why do you think some non-profitable treatments are only available on NHS? If you constantly need medical help, your insurance would be far higher, so it would run into the same amount as for NHS, if not more. Because, again, state does not seek to profit from you. Try and calculate how much your treatments over the years would cost and compare to what you pay. That assuming no injuries or traumas for the duration of your life.
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Don't compare healthcare to food. They are not the same, which you should undestand. If you don't fancy an expensive restaurant meal, you could go home and cook your own food, you won't treat yourself at home when you break your leg
State does not provide it's services for profit, whereas a business will ( which any insurance company will) and even with a limited choice, you will have to pay up, for the lack of an alternative.
Offering an insurance for asthma is not profitable, why do you think it's not covered? Why do you think some non-profitable treatments are only available on NHS? If you constantly need medical help, your insurance would be far higher, so it would run into the same amount as for NHS, if not more. Because, again, state does not seek to profit from you. Try and calculate how much your treatments over the years would cost and compare to what you pay. That assuming no injuries or traumas for the duration of your life.
Did you ignore the section on risk equalisation in my healthcare proposal?
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Did you ignore the section on risk equalisation in my healthcare proposal?
I didn't read it. Because we are not talking about implementing your proposal. We are talking about current situation, where people decide that thu cba paying taxes for services they don't use.
I'll read it when I have more free time though.
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I didn't read it. Because we are not talking about implementing your proposal. We are talking about current situation, where people decide that thu cba paying taxes for services they don't use.
I'll read it when I have more free time though.
It's just that you keep making arguments against something which I'm not proposing as what I'd do, and it seems rather silly to carry on...
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(Original post by jesusandtequila)
It's just that you keep making arguments against something which I'm not proposing as what I'd do, and it seems rather silly to carry on...
I believe my initial argument was that it's fair to be taxed and it's fair to expect vital services from it, and that NHS is a vital service. And I stand by it
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There is no such thing as society. There are men, women, and families.
Margaret Thatcher

I think that that explains my position very well.
Try reading on the rest of the speech...

"There is no such thing as society. There is living tapestry of men and women and people and the beauty of that tapestry and the quality of our lives will depend upon how much each of us is prepared to take responsibility for ourselves and each of us prepared to turn round and help by our own efforts those who are unfortunate."
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Plenty of people have something between their ears, and yet fail at starting a business. Running something viable doesn't only depend on your brains, of that was a case, there would be far less closed businesses.
Besides, there would still be a need of workforce, not everyone can be a boss and make big bucks by himself
You can't always win, I've done projects which turned out to be dead ends, and yes I generalized a bit, you have to work, but apply it correctly, hard work alone is nothing.

Not everyone will be worker/boss at the same time, same way the birth/death rate will never be exactly the same.

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Try reading on the rest of the speech...

"There is no such thing as society. There is living tapestry of men and women and people and the beauty of that tapestry and the quality of our lives will depend upon how much each of us is prepared to take responsibility for ourselves and each of us prepared to turn round and help by our own efforts those who are unfortunate."
PWNED, lol.
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each of us prepared to turn round and help by our own efforts those who are unfortunate."
Of our own volition.

I, however, could not care less about these people. Why should I have my wages stolen to provide welfare for them?
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You can't always win, I've done projects which turned out to be dead ends, and yes I generalized a bit, you have to work, but apply it correctly, hard work alone is nothing.



PWNED, lol.
Obviously my failure is nothing to you, I was just saying that few have what it takes to be a successful businessman, and it's not as easy as saying "screw you" to your boss and then somehow becoming more successful
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Of our own volition.

I, however, could not care less about these people. Why should I have my wages stolen to provide welfare for them?
Do you want to have the 'taxes are stealing' argument or the 'poor people don't deserve welfare' argument?

For the latter, which is more on topic, those poor people make up part of the economy that you rely on for your precious wages.
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Do you want to have the 'taxes are stealing' argument or the 'poor people don't deserve welfare' argument?

For the latter, which is more on topic, those poor people make up part of the economy that you rely on for your precious wages.
I somewhat doubt it, half of them don't even work. How do I rely on someone on incapacity benefit for suffering from IBS (basically having to **** a lot)?
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I somewhat doubt it, half of them don't even work. How do I rely on someone on incapacity benefit for suffering from IBS (basically having to **** a lot)?
Of course you doubt it, you've already made up your mind, and supported your view by making up statistics. There's no way you can argue against that kind of delusion.
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Various ramblings...
You know, it's not often that I wish illness on someone, but I have to say that I think if you ended up falling victim to a disease through no fault of your own that left you unable to work and pay for your cushty health insurance, your attitude would probably change and you'd be quite glad that other people's tax money was being used to fund your NHS treatment.
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